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Richard Hake
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[math-learn] Re: Growing Inequalities - Response To Hansen
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May 25, 2012 2:16 PM
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In response to my post "Re: Growing Inequalities - Response To 'Haim'," [Hake (2012)], Robert Hansen (2012) wrote [bracketed by lines "HHHHH. . . . ."; my inserts at ". . . . .[[insert]]. . . .":
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 1. According to your census link. . . . .[["Child Poverty in the United States 2009 and 2010: Selected Race Groups and Hispanic Origin" (USCB, 2011a) at <http://1.usa.gov/KGCpet>]]. . . ., it seems that hispanics have a high rate of poverty. . . . .[[not just "poverty," it's "32.3% of *children* in poverty]]. . . ., almost as high as the black rate of poverty. . . . .[[ not just "poverty," it's 38.2% of *children* in poverty]]. . . . .
2. According to the following census link. . . . [["2010 Census Shows Nation's Hispanic Population Grew Four Times Faster Than Total U.S. Population" (USCB, 2011b) at <http://bit.ly/JYYd9x>]]. . . ., between 2000 and 2010 the Hispanic population increased by almost 50%, over 4 times as fast as the rest of the nation.
This seems to support Haim's statement rather well. . . . [[NO! - see below]]. . . ., that the rapidly increasing hispanic population (with their high poverty rate) is a substantial portion of the increase in poverty for the nation as a whole. HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Hansen's point appears to be (please correct me if I'm wrong):
The *rapidly increasing* Hispanic population is responsible for a substantial fraction of the *increasing rate* of poverty of the U.S. as a whole . . . (Han)
Does "Han" support "Haim's" statements "Ham1,2", summarized in Hake (2012) as:
Immigrants from Latin America are responsible for a significant fraction of poverty in the U.S. . . . . . (Ham1)
Income inequality can be reduced by restricting Latino immigration. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Ham2)
Obviously not! I would think that polymath Hansen would appreciate the difference between "x" and "dx/dt". Even "Haim" is aware of the difference! In response to Hansen (2012). "Haim" (2012b) wrote:
"Right, but Hake was referring to . . . .[[what the virulently anti-progressive "Haim" calls]]. . . the classical Marxist metric of 'The Gap'. . . . [[i.e., "Ham1"]]. . . . . . . "
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REFERENCES [All URL's shortened by <http://bit.ly/> and accessed on 25 May 2012.] Hake, R.R. 2012. "Re: Growing Inequalities - Response To 'Haim', " online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at <http://bit.ly/JHkbY9>. Post of 24 May 2012 15:26:28-0700 to AERA-L and Net-Gold. The abstract and link to the complete post are also being transmitted to several discussion lists and are on my blog "Hake'sEdStuff" at <http://bit.ly/LeGk4y> with a provision for comments.
"Haim". 2012a. "Re: Growing Inequalities," on the OPEN! Math-Teach archives at <http://bit.ly/KSpXrz>. Post of 23 May 23 6:15 PM (the MathForum fails to specify the time zone).
"Haim". 2012b. "Re: Growing Inequalities," on the OPEN! Math-Teach archives at <http://bit.ly/JYUqJc>. Post of May 24, 2012 11:21 PM (the MathForum fails to specify the time zone). See also "Haim" (2012a).
Hansen, R. 2012. "Re: Growing Inequalities - Response To 'Haim', " online on the OPEN! Math-Teach archives at <http://bit.ly/KEvLmK>, post of 24 May 24 10:14 PM (the MathForum fails to specify the time zone!)
USCB. 2011a. "Child Poverty in the United States 2009 and 2010: Selected Race Groups and Hispanic Origin"; U.S. Census Bureau, American Community Survey Briefs; online as a 1.4 MB pdf at <http://1.usa.gov/KGCpet>.
USCB. 2011b. "2010 Census Shows Nation's Hispanic Population Grew Four Times Faster Than Total U.S. Population," U.S. Census Bureau, News Release, " 26 May; online at <http://bit.ly/JYYd9x>
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