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Re: The Gap
Posted:
Aug 17, 2012 6:36 PM
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On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Robert Hansen <bob@rsccore.com> wrote:
> Geez, I ask for you to show me where I say these things and you continue to show me where you say things.
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I cited your words. I provided the context.
> And yes, I think after a dozen iterations of throwing money to the educationalists and getting nothing back but a dozen instances of failure, enough is enough. I documented the ridiculous test scores and absurd instances of AP classes with not one student passing. This has been more than just a failure Paul, it has been a disaster. Things are worse, not better.
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BS.
US whites score as high or higher than the whites of just about any
other country in the world that takes these international tests, and
US blacks score as high or higher than the blacks of just about any
other country in the world that takes these international tests. The
idea that this is a disaster is not the truth.
The percentage of the entire 18 year old population scoring a passing
score on an AP calculus test has been doing nothing but increasing
since the beginning the program decades ago - it has increased an
entire order of magnitude, by ten times, since 1979, from roughly half
a percent to roughly five percent.
It's inevitable that the percent of the entire 18 year old population
failing would also increase.
When the percentage of the entire 18 year old population that takes
the test increases, then both percentages of passing and failing would
be expected to increase.
You ask for the impossible - a type of thing that no country has ever
done, which is that the percentage of the entire 18 year old
population scoring a passing score on test increase while the
percentage of the entire 18 year old population that fails the test
stay the same or decrease.
The only point you might have is that the failing percentage of the
entire population in question is rising at a rate that is too high.
But in light of the passing percentage of the entire population rising
all the time at an exponential rate from roughly half a percent to
roughly five percent since the beginning, the idea that the whole
situation is a disaster is not the truth.
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> And finally, I specifically pointed out in those posts that I don't think of the GAP as having a color.
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You made this false claim only after you made your racist claim that I
document below. Your own words below prove it.
Your claim that the gap is essentially immutable was in the context of
a thread that was about one and only thing - the academic performance
of blacks and Hispanics in comparison to the the academic performance
of whites, and the gap thereof. We all can see the context. We all
know that your claim that color was not what your words were about is
not the truth. You claimed very clearly that this gap between blacks
and Hispanics on one hand and whites on the other is immutable - that
is, blacks and Hispanics are not as capable as whites of learning and
academic performance. That's clearly a racist thing to say. And to say
that this gap is immutable only in public schools is still to say that
blacks and Hispanics are not as capable as whites of learning and
academic performance - but just in the public schools. That's still
clearly a racist thing to say.
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> Bob Hansen
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> On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Paul Tanner <upprho@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Robert Hansen <bob@rsccore.com> wrote:
>>> Bring forth the posts of mine, NOT YOURS, that say these things specifically. If you collected them together as you say, then show us! No more backsliding Paul. Show us MY posts! The post of yours you show has your thoughts and links to posts of mine that do not say these things at all.
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>>> Bob Hansen
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>> If the reader follows the links I gave, they can see all your posts in
>> question.
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>> But here they are anyway, in context:
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>> In the post
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>> "Re: The Fraud"
>> http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=7654038
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>> I asked you to provide proof of the fraud you claimed. I said:
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>> "I know that everything you say about what has been generally
>> happening is BS, since it contradicts all the general facts, including
>> the fact that there has been nothing but an increase in standards in
>> public schools over the years, both in terms of what students have to
>> do to obtain a high school diploma and in terms of what college
>> courses reach have to take to get certified for secondary math
>> teaching.
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>> I repeat my challenge to you to prove WITH CITATIONS what the fraud is
>> EXACTLY supposed to be, and that it is actually happening in light of
>> the FACT that there is no prior year in which more people obtained
>> higher levels of math education in the state of FL. I claim that you
>> cannot meet this challenge, since the facts make it impossible for you
>> to do so."
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>> Then you replied with this post:
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>> "Re: The Fraud"
>> http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=7653914
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>> In this post you said:
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>> "Paul, Florida's graduation rates are the highest they have ever been.
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>> http://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/2011/12/12/florida-graduation-rate-at-highest-level-ever/
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>> Did you mean "harder" or "frauder"?"
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>> In this link you gave we see that the graduation rates of blacks and
>> Hispanics significantly increased but the white graduation rate did
>> not significantly increase. This was your so-called proof I asked you
>> to give of your claim that the graduation standards going are down.
>> Your implied claim is that darker-skinned students (blacks and
>> Hispanics) are not capable of improving their graduation rates without
>> the graduation standards going down. The racist implications of this
>> implied claim are clear.
>>
>> In
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>> "Re: Online article - public school teachers overpaid?"
>> http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=7601113
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>> you said this:
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>> "I think people are realizing that the gap is essentially immutable
>> and quite naturally are beginning to reasses the sense of throwing
>> good money after bad."
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>> The gap in question is the academic performance gap between whites on
>> the one hand and blacks and Hispanics on the other hand. And you
>> claimed that this gap is essentially immutable. That is, your implied
>> claim is that blacks and Hispanics are just not as educable as whites.
>> The racist implications of this claim are clear.
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