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Some notes form the college side,
This is actually a fairly common situation that has been covered a number of times in the listserve. [Normal full disclosure note. I have been an AP reader and I teach at Saint Louis University, which has a large dual credit program.]
The normal terminology for such a program is a dual credit program. As one would expect, the devil is in the details. There is a national body for dual credit programs, so I will start by assuming that the program you are discussing is connected with and approved by that body. The basic idea is that the course is run as an extension of the sponsoring college and subject to the same kind of quality controls as the course at the college. The most obvious difference from the student point of view is that it does not depend on a single high stakes test. Depending on the individual student, that is either a good or a bad thing.
The biggest issue from the teacher point of view is that this would have you serving two master, your high school and a college. They may have different objectives and rules at times.
Things to consider in such a program: 1) Do you have students that will be better served by a dual credit program as opposed to an AP course? (I always start with looking at the student needs.)
2) How much extra work will this be for you? (As someone who has worked with a dual credit program, our teacher credentialing program is more rigorous, and our equivalent of the course audit is tougher. Since we don't rely on a single high stakes exam, we have to use other means for quality control.)
3) Ideally, a dual credit program is a partnership between your school and the college. What else do you and your students get out of the partnership? (For our program the students get certain privileges as students of the university. Teachers get some pay from the university. They also get to participate in a professional development program. There is some forming of a community of support for the teachers teaching the same discipline. We also have a number of options for working with students when they top out of the high school's offerings.)
4) Will the credit transfer to the schools your students want to attend? This is often determined by the status of the college offering the dual credit.
As I noted above, my school runs a large dual credit program. At the last professional development session with the high school teachers, I took a survey, and most are also doing AP at the same time. Some schools are working with more than one dual credit program, with different courses aligned with different programs.
The issue of the two kinds of programs is a recurring issue on the forum, and will probably remain so forever since it is rooted in trying to cooperate between multiple large educational systems. In such an encounter I assume that there is no simple best choice for all students.
E-mail me directly if you have more questions. The last long message I sent on to the forum was a response where the teacher was complaining that the principal wanted to eliminate AP and go exclusively to dual credit. The short version of my message was that I have enough contact and have been a reader and the AP program is quite good. My steady line is that from the college side I am concerned about the quality of the course and the teaching. I think of the mechanism of the awarding of credit as much less important.
Mike May, S.J. Saint Louis University
> Subject: ap credit versus pay for college credit > From: "Tamblyn, Mike" <firstname.lastname@example.org> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:23:33 -0500 > > If you have an opinion, please email me off list. I have been approached by > the local university to offer my students college credit for their ap calc > class. They would pay a 50% price of the credits, but would not need to > worry about taking the ap test to get college credit and worry about which > colleges except which ap scores. Obviously that is a higher price than an > $80 ap exam. Kids could do one or the other or both I believe, take it for > college credits or take it for the ap test. Thoughts? > > I appreciate your wisdom, > > Mike