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Greg Goodknight

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Re: Jo Boaler reveals attacks by Milgram and Bishop
Posted: Oct 18, 2012 12:54 AM
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On 10/17/2012 08:45 PM, GS Chandy wrote:
> Responding to Greg Goodknight's post dated Oct 18, 2012 4:34 AM:
>
> Thank you for your detailed analysis. I shall study it and try to integrate your contentions with my current understanding of Jo Boaler's work. It is refreshing indeed to meet someone doing this kind of discussion,


You'd get more of it if you'd drop your own attitude down a notch.
Reading some E.D.Hirsch might help.

> in stead of simply pontificating:
>
> "PUT THE EDUCATION MAFIA IN JAIL!"
>
> "BLOW UP THE SCHOOLS OF EDUCATION!"


The President of Harvard said their "school of Education is a kitten
that ought to be drowned" back in the 30's.

>
> "LITTLE PIKANINNIES DON'T LEARN LIKE YOU AND I DO",


That last one is a fair characterization of what a past President of the
NCTM said, and not all that off from what most Ed departments seem to
still believe. As for the others, I'd not reject them as useful
metaphors for fixing the problems in the US.

You see, "GS", to argue against inquiry/constructivist methods in the
USA has in the past caused really ugly attacks from the NCTM
"reformers", who have acted as thugs in the past to get their way. To be
against Mathland or CPM you were assumed to be a racist or an extreme
religious fundamentalist or from some other antisocial group; no joke,
my wife was given handouts stating this from her National University (a
certification mill) classes to get her credential. Personally, I'd never
have gotten involved in the math wars or would have been forced to put
my son in a private school, losing the 'free' education my property and
state income taxes had already paid for had a choice of a traditional
math curriculum been made available. Even with a classroom free Saxon
books being available for a pilot, for the low price of testing the kids
at the beginning, testing them at the end and making the results public,
the idea of a choice was rejected by the Principal/Asst. Superintendent
who exclaimed, "The NCTM Standards must be followed". To not agree was
to *want* poor kids, girls, and minorities (real minorities, meaning the
ones that aren't expected to do well and live up to expectations) to
achieve less than white boys with good parents.

As it turns out, there were other benefits of the St.Sensible. No
bullying, for example, the standards really were higher, and they were
voluntarily using the SAT-9 tests for their own 'quality control' before
the state schools were forced to use it. Only they'd give it at the
beginning of the year to see where everyone was starting from instead of
at the end of the academic year when the State thought the results would
be better.


etc etc indeed. A lazy way out.

- -Greg





>
> etc, etc.
>
> GSC



Date Subject Author
10/13/12
Read Jo Boaler reveals attacks by Milgram and Bishop
Michael Paul Goldenberg
10/13/12
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GS Chandy
10/13/12
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Robert Hansen
10/13/12
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Haim
10/14/12
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Haim
10/14/12
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Louis Talman
10/14/12
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Wayne Bishop
10/14/12
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Haim
10/16/12
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Louis Talman
10/14/12
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GS Chandy
10/14/12
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GS Chandy
10/14/12
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Robert Hansen
10/14/12
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GS Chandy
10/15/12
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Robert Hansen
10/14/12
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Ruth Walker
10/15/12
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Haim
10/16/12
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10/17/12
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Louis Talman
10/17/12
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Robert Hansen
10/17/12
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GS Chandy
10/17/12
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Haim
10/17/12
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GS Chandy
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GS Chandy
10/17/12
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10/17/12
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Robert Hansen
10/17/12
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Greg Goodknight
10/17/12
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Robert Hansen
10/17/12
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Greg Goodknight
10/17/12
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Haim
10/18/12
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Greg Goodknight
10/17/12
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GS Chandy
10/18/12
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GS Chandy
10/18/12
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Greg Goodknight
10/18/12
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Wayne Bishop
10/18/12
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GS Chandy
10/18/12
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Robert Hansen
10/18/12
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Haim
10/18/12
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GS Chandy
10/18/12
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Robert Hansen
10/18/12
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Robert Hansen
10/19/12
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10/19/12
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GS Chandy
10/19/12
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GS Chandy
10/26/12
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Wayne Bishop
10/19/12
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Michael Paul Goldenberg
10/19/12
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lajones
10/20/12
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lajones
10/20/12
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GS Chandy
10/20/12
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Robert Hansen
10/20/12
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Robert Hansen
10/20/12
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lajones
10/21/12
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GS Chandy
10/25/12
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