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physics solves rest-mass, charge, spin, speed, Space, Energy #1149 New
Physics #1269 ATOM TOTALITY 5th ed

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more Glossary of Terms used Chapt15.38 Maxwell Equations as axioms of
physics solves rest-mass, charge, spin, speed, Space, Energy #1149 New
Physics #1269 ATOM TOTALITY 5th ed

Posted: Jan 13, 2013 2:17 AM
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I learned something new in this edition, that I vitally need a
glossary to organize the concepts that to keep them logically sound
and not contradictory.

I even looked up the term "glossary" in the dictionary to see if I was
using the correct term and it says that glossary is a list of
difficult and technical terms.

Now the term I am interested in today is the term rest-mass and the
point of the Glossary is to keep me, or at least try to keep me from
not making contradictory terms and terms that end up as dead-end
alleys or terms that lead me astray of true physics.

Now usually, physicists do not keep their own glossaries and that is a
pitiful shame because a glossary can allow a more clarity of thought.

Now I looked in Wikipedia of their definition of rest-mass, and I was
rather disappointed, for they call it several things -- invariant
mass, intrinsic mass, proper mass. And after reading their entry, I
was no more clear of what rest-mass means than before I started. Many
of Wikipedia's science entries are written by some philosopher type
rather than a experimental physicist type who would have a better
handle on clarity.

Now in New Physics, all of physics is derived from all the facts of
chemistry and then apply the 4 Symmetrical Maxwell Equations. So all
of Physics comes from these 5 items:

1) all of Chemistry
2) through 5) the 4 symmetrical Maxwell Equations

Now we need a definition of rest-mass for physics and we have to look
to the Maxwell Equations to see how the Maxwell Equations gives us

And what we focus on is the Gauss's law of electricity which is the
Coulomb's law in equivalent form. And since all of physics is these 5
items then the force of gravity must be the tiniest amount of the
Coulomb force. In other words, gravity is a Coulomb force, only the
tiniest amount of the Coulomb force. Gravity has masses whereas
Coulomb force has electric charge. So here is where we can make
progress on a proper physics definition of "rest-mass". It is related
to charge but can be smaller than unit charge, since Coulomb force is
about 10^40 stronger than gravity force. So here we have an
opportunity to really define rest-mass in a clear and concise
definition, by referring to gravity as the same as Coulomb force.

Now in this glossary, I defined charge as being a geometry, and
magnetic monopole as being a pole of either elliptic or hyperbolic
geometry, and further yet I defined spin as the direction of motion of
the poles. So I gave a geometrical definition of charge, magnetic
monopole, and spin. Now i need to keep that habit steady in defining
rest-mass as a feature of geometry. So what possible geometry feature
can I ascribe to rest-mass? Well, if we look at speed, whether a
longitudinal wave or transverse wave or a particle in free motion, we
see speed as a linear function in 3rd dimension. We see poles and spin
as 2nd dimensional and we see the Maxwell Equations in large part as
cross sections of 2nd dimension. We do not see 3rd dimension in the
Maxwell Equations other than to say that the bar magnet is a 3rd
dimension object or that the Maxwell Equations take place in 3rd
dimension. We do not see volume in the Maxwell Equations and thus we
do not need volume, except for the fact that the Coulomb law is the
force of gravity where
rest-mass is involved.

So this makes me think that rest-mass is volume in 3rd dimension. And
further yet, that particles with rest-mass must have a volume whereas
particles with no rest mass like the photon has no volume.

Now the flow of electricity is a surface phenomenon, so electricity is
not bothered by lack of volume.

Now it is easy to picture the volume in Elliptic geometry since it is
a sphere with its inside or a ellipsoid with its interior. It is more
difficult to picture a Hyperbolic surface with its interior.

Now Euclidean geometry is easily pictured with 3rd dimension and
volumes involved. And the neutron is a 0 charged particle and so it is
Euclidean, but when in free space it decays in about 10 minutes and
when in the nucleus of an atom, the neutron is proton, nuclear
electron, neutrino. For the photon, it is 0 charge and so it is
Euclidean and is stable in free space. And the photon is both particle
and wave for it satisfies the Double Slit Experiment. So this would
suggest that the photon as particle must have volume of Euclidean
geometry and thus have rest-mass. But the photon travels at the speed
of light and so it cannot have rest-mass and thus cannot have volume.
The electron is -1 charge and Hyperbolic geometry and can travel
almost the speed of light but not at the speed of light and so the
electron must have volume or rest-mass. The proton has volume and
cannot travel at the speed of light and must have rest-mass.

So here I am working up a nice definition of rest-mass. One which
involves volume of 3rd dimension and ties together gravity force with
Coulomb force. For it is definitely sure that charge is involved with
Coulomb, so that rest-mass must be involved with Gravity and that
gravity must be tied to charge.

So I am making very good progress here on rest-mass. So good that
tonight I have found a possible lead in to deriving the muon rest-mass
ratio compared to electron
which is about 105/0.5 = 210.

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