Drexel dragonThe Math ForumDonate to the Math Forum

Search All of the Math Forum:

Views expressed in these public forums are not endorsed by NCTM or The Math Forum.

Math Forum » Discussions » sci.math.* » sci.math

Topic: lodestone first greatest physics experiment and starts physics
history #1248 New Physics #1368 ATOM TOTALITY 5th ed

Replies: 4   Last Post: Feb 22, 2013 3:43 AM

Advanced Search

Back to Topic List Back to Topic List Jump to Tree View Jump to Tree View   Messages: [ Previous | Next ]

Posts: 13,144
Registered: 3/31/08
lodestone first greatest physics experiment and starts physics
history #1248 New Physics #1368 ATOM TOTALITY 5th ed

Posted: Feb 21, 2013 7:43 PM
  Click to see the message monospaced in plain text Plain Text   Click to reply to this topic Reply

First greatest physics experiment and observation in human history is
the lodestone attracted to other lodestones and to iron. A date for
this is Thales of Miletus 6th century before Lucretius's De Rerum
Natura. Now the remarkable aspect of this history story is not so much
the discovery, but that it takes until 2013 for any physicist to tell
of how great a discovery it was. That not until I personally tell the
story that you have magnetism, but that it is perpetual motion which
means perpetual energy
on the macroscale, not just the microscale of the internal atom.

In the history of physics, especially in the last centuries, the
scientists have gone the opposite direction in teaching and
instructing people of science. They bent over backwards to infuse
everyone with the idea that perpetual motion, perpetual energy is non-
existent, except for cases inside atoms of electrons in orbit. You
see, these instructors were half-brains of physics trying to make
people weary of scam artists selling perpetual motion devices. But in
their zealous warnings, they forgot to teach that perpetual motion is
everywhere and all around us. Sure, they did their job in warning us
about scam artists of machines that were not perpetual motion, but
they failed to teach people that every atom is a perpetual energy or
perpetual motion machine of its electrons, or its protons. And the
world's first and greatest Physics experiment was to see a lodestone
that perpetually attracts other lodestones with never any loss of
energy, nor input in energy to keep it doing what it does-- attract.

There is even a law of thermodynamics that forbids perpetual motion,
but that law is fakery. Because it is denied by the Maxwell Equations.
The Maxwell Equations does have a conservation of energy which is the
Lenz's law, but the conservation laws of physics are sometimes
supported by the Maxwell Equations and other times not supported. When
the Maxwell Equations are the axioms over all of physics then
conservation laws are merely the equal sign in the Maxwell Equations,
but not the idea that Nature is conservation everywhere for the
Maxwell Equations are not equal everywhere. What the Maxwell Equations
always supports is perpetual motion and thus perpetual energy as seen
by bar magnets, and the ancient lodestone experiment.

Now I need to dive into the permanent bar magnet theory in order to
wrestle with the concept of spin in physics. What I want to accomplish
in these pages before I reach page 1300 for New Physics textbook is at
least a handle on rest-mass and spin and charge and Space. I do not
want to start the 6th edition of this double text without a firm grasp
of those concepts. I want to refine those concepts in the 6th edition
and not have to fetch them first.

So the greatest first experiment or observation in the history of
physics, and we can say that it starts physics, is the lodestone with
its perpetual energy. And the most fascinating part of that history
story is that not until 2013 has any physicist made mention of the
enormous importance of perpetual energy due to perpetual motion due to
spin of atoms, which is due to, finally, the Maxwell Equations. Not
quantum mechanics, for QM is but a tiny subset of the Maxwell

So I have about 50 pages to have a settled view of rest-mass, spin,
charge, Space, and I better make good use of those pages.


Google's archives are top-heavy in hate-spew from search-engine-
bombing. Only Drexel's Math Forum has done a excellent, simple and
fair archiving of AP posts for the past 15 years as seen here:


Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Point your RSS reader here for a feed of the latest messages in this topic.

[Privacy Policy] [Terms of Use]

© The Math Forum at NCTM 1994-2016. All Rights Reserved.