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Topic: Re: Direct Instruction rocks: Or does it?
Replies: 4   Last Post: Apr 7, 2013 2:05 AM

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 GS Chandy Posts: 8,307 From: Hyderabad, Mumbai/Bangalore, India Registered: 9/29/05
Re: Direct Instruction rocks: Or does it?
Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:06 PM

Wayne Bishop posted Apr 2, 2013 10:39 AM (the full post pasted below my signature for referenc):
>That's right. Objective evidence be damned; full speed >ahead.

>Wayne
>

Remarkable:

1. I do not find evidence in support of your claim ("Objective evidence be damned; full speed ahead") in Richard Hake's original post.

2. I do find evidence of such an attitude ("Objective evidence be damned: full speed ahead") in your post.

I believe the above approach is more or less in line with the recommendations of the well known "PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA" expounded by Josef Goebbels (see, for instance: http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html).

GSC
("Still Shoveling!")
Wayne Bishop posted Apr 2, 2013 10:39 AM:
>That's right. Objective evidence be damned; full speed >ahead.

>Wayne

>At 07:29 PM 4/1/2013, Richard Hake wrote:
>> Some subscribers to Math-Teach might be interested in a recent essay "Re: Direct Instruction rocks: Or does it?" [Hake (2013b)]. The abstract reads:
>>
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>> ABSTRACT: The conclusion of my response "Direct Instruction rocks: Or does it?" [Hake (2013a)] at < http://bit.ly/10k3iN3> to David Klahr's (2012) "Inquiry Science rocks: Or does it?" at < http://bit.ly/WmqHMj > is (see the complete post for the references):
>> "A. Klahr's (2012) Fig. 1 histogram and the research of Chen & Klahr (1999) and Klahr & Nigam (2004) suggest that if one's goal is the enhancement of a process skill such as the "Control of Variables Strategy" (CVS) among elementary-school students then (s)he should probably consider utilizing Klahr's direct-instruction-like "Training-Probe (TP)" pedagogy rather than discovery-learning-like "No Training - No Probe (NTNP)" method with near zero teacher guidance.
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>> B. Hake's (2012) Fig. 1 [histogram taken Hake (1998a)], its corroboration by others listed in Hake (2008), and the high positive correlation of post-test conceptual FCI and problem-solving MB tests, suggest that if one's goal is the enhancement of conceptual understanding and problem-solving ability among high-school or undergraduate students then (s)he should probably consider utilizing discovery-learning-like "Interactive Engagement" pedagogy rather than direct-instruction-like 'Traditional' pedagogy."
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>> To access the complete 11 kB post please click on < http://yhoo.it/10qf8Wa>.
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>> Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University
>> Links to Articles: < http://bit.ly/a6M5y0>
>> Links to Socratic Dialogue Inducing (SDI) Labs: < http://bit.ly/9nGd3M>
>> Blog: < http://bit.ly/9yGsXh>
>> REFERENCES [URL's shortened by <http://bit.ly/> and >accessed on 01April 2013.]
>> Hake, R.R. 2013a. "Direct Instruction rocks: Or does it?" APS News 22(4), April, online at < http://bit.ly/10k3iN3>. [Response to Klahr (2012).]
>> Hake, R.R. 2013b. "Re: Direct Instruction rocks: Or does it?" online on the OPEN Net-Gold archives at < http://yhoo.it/10qf8Wa>. Post of 01 April 16:00 -0700 to Net-Gold, AERA-K, and AERA-L. Evidently due to a change in LISTSERV software AERA-K and AERA-L no longer carry *HOT* Links such as those on Net-Gold! The abstract and link to the complete post are being transmitted to several discussion lists and are on my blog "Hake'sEdStuff" at < http://bit.ly/179X5bA> with a provision for comments.
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>> Klahr, D. 2012. "Inquiry Science rocks: Or does it?" APS News 21(11), December; online at < http://bit.ly/WmqHMj >.

Date Subject Author
4/3/13 GS Chandy
4/5/13 Greg Goodknight
4/6/13 Wayne Bishop
4/7/13 Greg Goodknight
4/6/13 Robert Hansen