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Topic: Greater?
Replies: 9   Last Post: Nov 26, 2013 5:31 PM

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 mluttgens Posts: 80 Registered: 3/3/11
Re: Greater?
Posted: Nov 25, 2013 11:14 AM

Le lundi 25 novembre 2013 16:44:48 UTC+1, Roland Franzius a écrit :
> Am 25.11.2013 16:10, schrieb luttgma@gmail.com:
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> > Le lundi 25 novembre 2013 14:37:17 UTC+1, Roland Franzius a ï¿½crit :
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> >> Am 25.11.2013 12:29, schrieb luttgma@gmail.com:
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> >>> What is the probability that 14.5 +/- 0.8 is greater than 13.8 +/- 0.04 ?
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> >> For two random production processes X, Y, normally and stochastic
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> >> independently distributed with CDF NormalDistribution(m_k,s_k), the
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> >> mean = difference of the means and variance = sum of variances:
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> >> F(z)=Pr[X-Y < z ]
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> >> = N( m1-m2, sqrt(s1^2+s2^2) ) = N(0.7,sqrt(0.064+0.0016) )
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> >> So the answer may be probably
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> >> CDF[NormalDistribution[0.7, Sqrt[0.8^2 + 0.04^2]]][0] -> 0.191084
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> > 14.5 +/- 0.8 billion years is the estimated age of the so-called "Methuselah star," cataloged as HD 140283.
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> > 13.8 +/- 0.04 billion years is the estimated age of the Universe.
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> > According to your aanalysis, the probability that HD 140283 is older than the Universe is rather small.
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> No the other way around, swap the variables.
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> But, by the way, the statistical independency of birth of parents and
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> childs is currently not yet widespreadly assumed and the error marges in
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> astrophysics don't describe distributions of times but statistical
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> errors in measurement procedures eg by repeated mesurements of the same
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> In the preparatoy laboratory courses the question is discussed thorouhly
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> if one can estimate the the distance between the main train station and
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> Bunsen-St. only by counting steps and taking the mean of 10000 walks and
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> their variance to get a precision of 3 inches.
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> So, even if by radio carbon methods the age of bones of parents and
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> childs in an egyptian tomb dates the children before the parents with no
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> Roland Franzius

Thank you again!

If I understand correctly, it cannot statistically be assumed that HD 140283 is older than the Universe, in spite of a probability of about 0.8

Marcel

Date Subject Author
11/25/13 mluttgens
11/25/13 Pubkeybreaker
11/25/13 Roland Franzius
11/25/13 karl
11/25/13 mluttgens
11/25/13 Roland Franzius
11/25/13 mluttgens
11/25/13 karl
11/25/13 Pfsszxt@aol.com
11/26/13 Brian Q. Hutchings