Robert Hansen (RH) posted Dec 25, 2013 3:32 AM (http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=9349936) - GSC's remarks follow: > > On Dec 24, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Clyde Greeno @ MALEI > <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > > It is bad enough that the Achieve Corporation's > mathematics "standards" for American schools start > t the teaching of "place values" at primary-school > levels ... so prompting under-informed schools to > inundate the very young with mathematical meanderings > that are beyond their abilities to comprehend. > > Whoa now. There is nothing wrong in talking to these > things during the normal course of school work. It is > an absolutely necessary activity. Remember, these > notions grow on you and they don?t start as notions > because they can?t start as notions without any > substance to base them on. Wayne once pointed out > something that stuck with me. And I will paraphrase: > Often, in pedagogy, just the mechanics is mostly the > goal, for the time being. The blunder of these > researchers was saying that the students ?understood? > place value, not that students could identify that > numbers have places, labeled one?s, ten?s, hundred?s > etc. Sure, it?s not mathematical, it?s syntactical, > but still required, before you get to the > mathematical meaning of it. > > Study the whole journey Clyde. Not just one moments > worth. > > Bob Hansen > Whoa, now, RH. Try and study what the person is actually saying/claiming. Not just what you wrongly think he is doing.
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