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Topic: Re: The probability of boys
Replies: 19   Last Post: Dec 24, 1997 6:29 PM

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 Jim Balter Posts: 181 Registered: 12/7/04
Re: The probability of boys
Posted: Dec 17, 1997 3:02 AM

David Ullrich wrote:
>
> No SPAM wrote:

> >
> > Dennis Rakestraw <drakestraw@hotmail.com> wrote in article
> > <882203102.2049048581@dejanews.com>...
> > [stuff deleted]
> >

> > > If a man says, "of my two children at least one is a boy," what is the
> > > probability that both are boys? The answer, oddly, is not "50-50."

> > [more stuff deleted]
> >
> > A finer example of sexism in mathematics will ne'er be found.
> >
> > If men who have one boy and one girl are as likely to start,
> > "of my two children at least one is a girl" as they are to start,
> > "of my two children at least one is a boy", then the answer is
> > indeed 50-50.

>
> If we start thinking about how likely people are to say
> what under what conditions then it's no longer a strictly
> mathematical question. One needs to rephrase (or at least interpret)
> the question
>
> If a man says, "of my two children at least one is a boy," what is the
> probability that both are boys?
>
> as
>
> Given that a man has two children, at least one is a boy, what is the
> probability that both are boys?
>
> or the question can't be answered.

Why not? Contrary to NO SPAM's claim, it doesn't matter how often
the man says "at least one boy" when he has both a boy and a girl.
*When* he says "at least one boy", the chances are 1/3 that the
other is a boy. Remember, it's a *conditional* probability.

It would matter, of course, if we knew he only made the statement when
he had a boy and a girl, or if we knew he only made it when he had two
boys, or if we knew he was lying or something. Under *those* sorts of
conditions, then indeed we have other information that would affect
the probability. But no amount of information about a counterfactual
such as how often he says "I have at least one girl" matters in the
least.

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<J Q B>

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Date Subject Author
12/15/97 Dennis Rakestraw
12/15/97 Jim Balter
12/16/97 No SPAM
12/16/97 David Ullrich
12/17/97 Jim Balter
12/17/97 Xcott Craver
12/16/97 William L. Bahn
12/17/97 No SPAM
12/17/97 Darrell Ryan
12/17/97 Xcott Craver
12/17/97 Darrell Ryan
12/18/97 Xcott Craver
12/18/97 Darrell Ryan
12/22/97 Koen Samyn
12/22/97 Dave Seaman
12/24/97 standebj@SLU.EDU
12/17/97 William L. Bahn
12/18/97 Rainer Thonnes
12/17/97 Jim Balter
12/19/97 QSCGZ