In the discussion about NCTM and TIMSS perhaps it would be helpful to know that the groups that reported on the results for the U.S.--who are not at all beholden to nor branches of NCTM-- write several times in both Splintered Vision and Pursuing Excellence that the kind of teaching called for in this country by those interested in reform and suggested by the NCTM standards is NOT occurring in this country. Rather it is occurring in other countries--in countries which scored much higer than the U.S. If there is a message about the NCTM Standards in the TIMSS results it is that the standards are NOT clearly understood by U.S. teachers and that they are NOT being implemented by the majority of U.S. teachers--at least at the 8th grade level. Prof. Part of the lack of understanding of the Standards comes from our constantly being bombarded with new ideas and fads and more and more and more. The TIMSS report says that this constant bombardment results in our "hearing" messages such as the NCTM Standards as just another thing to add. We often don't have the time or energy to differentiate the important stuff from the usual jabber. TIMSS has extremely important messages for our country about curriulum and instruction. It is silly to waste our time arguing over whether or not the NCTM STandards are being indicted. The people studying the results aren't doing this. Please take a look at the findings and THEN think about what action we should take. And please make an effort to read the reports--at least read "A Splintered Vision." You can get to a TIMSS site through NCTM page or AFT page or just ask your search engine to find the Third International Mathematics and Science Study.