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Topic: negative * negative
Replies: 11   Last Post: Apr 5, 1996 6:02 PM

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 W Gary Martin Posts: 80 Registered: 12/6/04
Re: negative * negative
Posted: Apr 5, 1996 4:15 PM

At 10:17 AM 4/2/96, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>One of the standard theorems from Foundations of Algebra courses and
>which follows in a few steps from the field axioms is
>
> (-a)(-b) = ab. The proof is not difficult and it's readily
>
>accessible in any algebra foundations text. The reason that the
>product of two negatives is positive is a consequence of the field
>axioms.

Careful now. This proves that the product of the opposites of two elements
is equal to the product of those two elements. That is, -a is not
necessarily a negative number! Which goes back to the point raised earlier
on the overloading of the "-" sign.

Why is this such a big deal? Not necessarily because we need to
systematically teach students the different meanings, BUT... if there are
important mathematical issues that are being obscured, a muddled situation
for students is likely to result. Even if students need not be explicitly
instructed about all this, curriculum writers and teachers had best be VERY
aware.

A very common example of this muddling occurs when dealing with functions
like f(x) = -x ... more than a few students believe f(x) always has to be
negative. Thus, calling -x to be "negative x" is not at all a good idea...

Peace, Gary

PS: To finish up Steve's argument, we need to bring in ordering.
(i) If a>0 and b>0, then ab>0 ... BY DEFINITION (closure)
(ii) a>0 iff -a<0 ... BY DEFINITON (from trichotomy)
SO... If a<0 and b<0, then -a>0 and -b>0 ... by (ii)
Which means (-a)(-b)>0 ... by (i)
Now use the theorem Steve mentions above:
ab = (-a)(-b) > 0
Thus, the product of two negatives is positive.

W. Gary Martin
Curriculum Research and Development Group
University of Hawaii

Date Subject Author
4/1/96 MAXINE BRIDGER
4/2/96 Judy Austin
4/2/96 Daniel Ray DIALUP
4/2/96 Chih-Han sah
4/2/96 John Sheehan
4/2/96 W Gary Martin
4/3/96 JansonEdit@aol.com
4/3/96 Lou Talman