Yes, me again. The coaches and lecturing discussions have not gone anywhere fast (or even slow) in the last couple of days. Yes, we've collectively agreed that some topics beyond the direct scope of the Standards are okay, but let's practice some courtesy and common sense.
Let me sum up the discussions. First, coaches. There are a lot of people who have teaching jobs because they are coaches (and not even very good ones, at that, at times). They wouldn't know a conjecture if it bit 'em on the butt. Then there are a lot of people who are brilliant teachers AND coaches. (The kids on my college teams get on my case for using words like perpendicular, parallel, orthogonal, and tangent when describing to them what they ought to be doing and where they should be on the field.) But let's end that discussion (unless someone really has something new and insightful to say about coaches, the math classroom, and the Standards).
As for lecturing, sometimes it's appropriate, sometimes it's not, some people like it, and some people don't. This discussion hasn't moved in a week. Let's try some new topics.
One can make the argument that "if you don't want to read it, delete it". Well, what with the traffic recently, I can't really read anything because I don't have time to weed out any potentially interesting topics from the repetition. There have been a number of new topics introduced that haven't elicited the responses they might were they not surrounded.
Traffic on this group is quite high (lots of teachers with lots of free time now that school is over?). It is difficult to learn how to communicate on the Internet. You must try to make your point thoroughly the first or maybe the second time. It's not like debating someone in public. There are people who are posting pretty much the same thing on the same topic many, many times. This belabors the point, and doesn't win you any converts. Say what you have to say, and try to say it well, and sit on your hands when someone disagrees with you unless you really have something new to say. Hopefully we'll all get better at communicating in this new manner, but we cannot treat it _exactly_ like a conversation. It's certainly too much for me to keep up with.
No, I'm not an Internet goddess, but I have been participating in online discussions for seven years. There have been many times when I read responses and followups to one of my posts and thought "But! Wait!" but didn't post unless there were questions or if my ideas had been grossly misunderstood. There is a definite art to explaining yourself or your question to faceless listeners and then _just listening_, and I think we would benefit if a lot of us tried to do just that.
And one more thing: Change the subject line when you change the subject!