The Math Forum

Search All of the Math Forum:

Views expressed in these public forums are not endorsed by NCTM or The Math Forum.

Math Forum » Discussions » sci.math.* » sci.math

Notice: We are no longer accepting new posts, but the forums will continue to be readable.

Topic: Interesting Problem Again
Replies: 1   Last Post: Nov 21, 2002 8:38 PM

Advanced Search

Back to Topic List Back to Topic List Jump to Tree View Jump to Tree View   Messages: [ Previous | Next ]
Leroy Quet

Posts: 422
Registered: 12/13/04
Re: Interesting Problem Again
Posted: Nov 21, 2002 8:38 PM
  Click to see the message monospaced in plain text Plain Text   Click to reply to this topic Reply

On 21 Nov 2002, Manimaran wrote:
>Hi I did post a message before but it is not appearing properly.
>I am repeating the problem here.
>Let us take a rectangle having sides l, b
>l > b
>let us cut off a perfect square out of this rectangle. so the
>remaining will be a rectangle of sides b, (l-b)
>lets us cut off a perfect square out of this rectangle. we will be
>left with a rectangle of sides (l-b), (2b -l)
>iteration 1 : sides (l,b)
>iteration 2 : sides (b, l-b)
>iteration 3 : sides (l-b, 2b-l)
>iteration n : sides (function(l,b,n)???, function(l,b,n)
>At what point the left out rectangle becomes a square and no more
>iterations is possible?
>iteration end : sides (a,a) [a = ?] and iteration number of end = ?
>Is there a series for this problem? Anyone tried to solve this?
>This seems to be interesting to me...
>Since the process we do looks repetitive to the rectangle,
>there may be a way to solve these two problems
>as functions of the sides of the given triangle...
>Any takers?

First, this has not appeared on Google yet. If you posted to Math Forum, and they haven't fixed their problems yet, then your post (and my reply) will NOT leave the Math Forum system.

I will assume that you mean that one side is 1, not the lower-case L.
In any case, this does not really matter.
I'll just call one side "a" and the other "b" (b as before),
where a and b are both positive integers, and
a > b.
If the sides are in irrational proportion (ie. no a and b = integers exist) then your subdividing can be done forever without reaching a square dead-end.

And also, your assumption is that a and b are in a range of
proportions. It is possible that more than one square can be taken
from a given rectangle: example
(2 squares removable)
| | | |
| 1 | 2 | |
| | | |

But, as far as I know, this problem comes down to continued fractions.

Take the continued fraction of (a/b).

a/b = c(1) +
1/(c(2) + 1/(c(3) +....+1/(c(m-1) +1/c(m))...))

where the c()'s are positive integers.

Each c(k) is the number of squares that can be taken from the k_th rectangle.

So, the number of iterations is m, the number of terms in the continued fraction.

And the sum of the c()'s is the total number of squares to be taken out.

As an example of an irrational ratio of side to adjacent side.
Let a side be 1, and the other be the golden ratio
Then the continued fraction is made up of an infinite number
of 1's.
So the rectangle can be subdivided by removing one square at a time,
an infinite number of times.
This rectangle subdivision is well-known.

Leroy Quet
(Spam Block: extra q added)

Point your RSS reader here for a feed of the latest messages in this topic.

[Privacy Policy] [Terms of Use]

© The Math Forum at NCTM 1994-2018. All Rights Reserved.