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Date: 03/25/2002 at 03:11:54 From: Mike Subject: Geometry I do not understand how you graph x + y = 5 on a graph sheet.
Date: 03/25/2002 at 09:32:49 From: Doctor Ian Subject: Re: Geometry You can find an introduction to graphing linear equations here: Graphing Linear Equations http://mathforum.org/dr.math/problems/meagan7.14.98.html - Doctor Ian, The Math Forum http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
Date: 03/25/2002 at 22:43:08 From: Mike Subject: Geometry I looked at the web site and think I have it. I believe it is as follows: Y = 6x+1 Y = 6(0) + 5 = 5 (0,5) Y = 2(2) + 1 = 5 (2,5) Y = 3(-2) + 1 = 5 (-2,5)
Date: 03/26/2002 at 07:57:56 From: Doctor Ian Subject: Re: Geometry I'm having a little trouble following what you're doing here. Are you generating (x,y) pairs that satisfy the equation x+y = 5? If so, you need to check each pair as you test it: (x=0,y=5) => x + y = 0 + 5 = 5 (yes) (x=2,y=5) => 2 + 5 = 7 (no) The idea behind an equation like x+y = 5 is that the values of x and y are mutually constrained. So if you choose one value, the other value is determined. For example, if we _decide_ that x should be 2, then x + y = 5 2 + y = 5 2 + y - 2 = 5 - 2 y = 3 That is, IF we set x = 2, then it MUST be true that y = 3. On the other hand, if we _decide_ that y should be 4, then x + y = 5 x + 4 = 5 x + 4 - 4 = 5 - 4 x = 1 That is, IF we set y = 4, then it MUST be true that x = 1. So we've found two points that must be on the line: (2,3) and (1,4). If you were to generate more points, and plot them individually, you'd find that they all lie on a straight line: | * | * | * | * | * +--------------- | What this means is that, having found any two of the points, we can use a ruler to fill in the rest. - Doctor Ian, The Math Forum http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
Date: 03/27/2002 at 22:36:52 From: Mike Subject: Geometry I was just figuring the problem wrong. But I have the following question: X+Y = 5 2+Y = 5 2+Y-2 = 5-2 Y = 3 What if it is subtraction? Does it work the same? X-Y = 5 7-Y = 5 7-Y = 5+Y Y = 2 Would that be correct? I don't have a particular problem that I'm working on like this, but just wanted to know how it would work if it was subtraction instead of adding. Thanks for your help.
Date: 03/28/2002 at 08:51:46 From: Doctor Ian Subject: Re: Geometry Hi Mike, You came up with the right answer, which you can check by substituting both values into the original equation: x - y = 5 7 - 2 = 5 (True) although I'm not really able to follow your steps, perhaps because you combined some steps. I think you meant to do this: x - y = 5 7 - y = 5 Choose x = 7 7 - y + y = 5 + y Add y to both sides 7 = 5 + y Simplify 7 - 5 = 5 + y - 5 Subtract 5 from each side 2 = y When you're first getting the hang of manipulating equations, it's a good idea to avoid trying to combine steps. For one thing, it's easy to slip up - in your case, you added a Y to one side, but forgot to remove it from the other. You seem to have cleared that up later on, but someone reading your steps wouldn't know that. A teacher would just see that you had written 7 - y = 5 + y which is true only when y is 1, not 2. A very smart teacher of mine once told me that in algebra, there are really only two rules that you have to follow. The first is that you can't divide by zero. The second is that you can write down anything you want, so long as it's true. You ended up with the right value for y, but along the way you wrote down things that weren't true. As I said, this may not be a problem for you; but it would be too much to expect someone else who is trying to follow your work to assume that you know what you're doing. (Imagine that you're a teller in a bank, and at some point during the day you lend $50 from your register to another teller. Now, you know what you did; and the other teller knows what you did; and probably you'll get it all straightened out at the end of the day. But if an auditor comes by and wants to make sure that you've got the right amount of money, you're going to come up $50 short. And it won't help to say that you loaned the money to another teller, because the auditor can only go by what you've written down. If you want to lend $50 to another teller, you've got to have some kind of piece of paper that says that you did it, and that the other teller owes you $50.) So this is algebra in a nutshell: We start out with an equation that we're told is true for some value of x, or some values of x and y, or whatever. But we would like to see it written in a friendlier way. So we apply transformations to the equation, to change its APPEARANCE without changing its MEANING. In English, we do this kind of thing all the time without even thinking about it. I might tell you: "Pat gave Chris a ride." Later, you might repeat it to someone else by saying: "Pat gave a ride to Chris." And the person you repeated it to might repeat it to someone else by saying: "Chris was given a ride by Pat." Now, all of these mean exactly the same thing, even though they're expressed in different forms. Why choose one form over another? In some cases, it might be because of the way a question was asked: Who gave Chris a ride? Pat gave Chris a ride. To whom did Pat give a ride? Pat gave a ride to Chris. How did Chris get here? Chris was given a ride by Pat. In the same way, in response to the question, "What is y when x is 2?" we would like to change x + y = 5 into x = 5 - y. But in response to the question, "What is x when y is 2?" we would like to change it into y = 5 - x. All these equations mean exactly the same thing, even though the elements are arranged differently, just as with the sentences. Does this make sense? - Doctor Ian, The Math Forum http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
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