Switching Dollars and Cents
Date: 10/07/97 at 22:32:27 From: JJ Subject: Math - finding an equation Let's say a woman receives a check from the IRS and goes to cash it. The bank teller accidentally switches the dollars and cents, so what was dollars he gives her in cents and vice versa. After she spends a nickel ($.05), she realizes the bank teller's mistake. After she has spent the nickel she has twice the amount of the original IRS check. How do I find the answer and find a system of equations? I've tried guess and check and still haven't figured it out :(
Date: 10/09/97 at 12:21:01 From: Doctor Rob Subject: Re: Math - finding an equation Let D be the number of dollars, and C the number of cents the check is made out for. The true value of the check then is 100*D + C cents. The dyslexic teller gives her D + 100*C cents instead. After she spends 5 cents, she has D + 100*C - 5, which is twice 100*D + C. This gives you one equation: D + 100*C - 5 = 2*(100*D + C), which can be rearranged into the form 98*C = 199*D + 5. There is a hidden condition that you will also need: 0 <= C <= 99 and 0 <= D <= 99. This happens because amounts of money do not have numbers of cents more than 99 or less than zero. Now you need to see what the smallest value of D is that makes 199*D + 5 an exact multiple of 98. D = 0 won't work, because the remainder on dividing 5 by 98 is 5. D = 1 won't work, because the remainder on dividing 204 by 98 is 8. For D = 2, the remainder is 11. For D = 3, the remainder is 14. Are you beginning to see a pattern? D 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... remainder 5 8 11 14 17 20 ... ... ... Because C <= 99, you must have an answer with D = (98*C-5)/199 <= (98*99-5)/199 < 49, so even if you don't see the pattern, or can't figure out how to use it, you will only have to try 49 values of D to find the right one. I think you can do the rest. -Doctor Rob, The Math Forum Check out our web site! http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
Date: 10/09/97 at 14:48:19 From: Cody Bass Subject: Hard word problem Dr. Math, my teacher gave me this word problem for extra credit. I am having problems with it. Help. A man went into a bank to cash a check. In handing over the money, the teller by mistake gave him dollars for cents and cents for dollars. He pocketed the money without examining it, and spent a nickel on his way home. He then found that he possessed exactly twice the amount of the check. He had not money in his pocket before going to the bank. What was the exact amount of that check? Thanks for your help, Cody.
Date: 10/09/97 at 17:57:18 From: Doctor Tom Subject: Re: hard word problem Hi Cody, Well, assuming the check originally had x dollars and y cents, it was worth 100*x + y cents. The amount he got was y dollars and x cents, or 100*y + x cents. After spending 5 cents, he had 100*y + x - 5 cents, which is twice 100*x + y. So 2(100x + y) = 100y + x - 5 or 200x + 2y = 100y + x - 5 or 199x - 98y = -5 which doesn't look like enough information to solve the problem except that x and y must be whole numbers. so 98y = 199x + 5 y = (199x + 5)/98 = 2x + (3x + 5)/98 Since x and y are whole numbers, so must be (3x + 5)/98. Call it z = (3x+5)/98 so 98z = 3x + 5, or 3x = 98z - 5 or x = (98z - 5)/3 or x = 32z-1 + (2z-2)/3. Since everything is a whole number, so must be (2z-2)/3. Call it w = (2z-2)/3, so 3w = 2z-2 so z = (3w+2)/2 or z = w + 1 + w/2. So w/2 must be whole, or w must be even. So try w = 2. Then z = 4. Then x = 129. Then y = 262. These answers are no good, but looking at the original equation, if you decrease y by 199 and x by 98, the answer will still obviously work, so do that: y = 63 and x = 31. Original check: $31.63 Recieved: $63.31. Subtract a nickel: $63.26 = 2 times $31.63. Equations like this (where whole number answers are required) are called "Diophantine equations" in honor of the Greek Diophantus. They are in general very hard to solve, but linear equations like this one can be solved using exactly the method I showed you above. Of course, you never know how many steps it will take to get to the answer! -Doctor Tom, The Math Forum Check out our web site! http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
Date: 08/27/2001 at 23:57:33 From: James Davis Subject: Re: (no subject) In one of the steps in Switching Dollars and Cents an equation is simplified or altered as follows: a) 98z = 3x + 5 b) or 3x = 98z - 5 c) or x = 98(z - 5)/3 d) or x = 32z - 1 + (2z - 2)/3. between c) and d), where does the "5" go? Is it factored out? If so, then how? In my problem I replaced the five with a 62 throughout and it worked perfectly. I got an answer of x = 12 and y = 25. I came about this in a strange way, however. These values work: 12.25 * 2 + .62 = 25.12 but the last step I took seemed arbitrary. For the actual values of x and y I got 110 and 224 respectively. I subtracted 199 from the y value and 98 from the x value, as was mentioned in one of the examples, and lo and behold... I'm just not sure why this works. I am baffled. Thanks again. James.
Date: 08/28/2001 at 09:18:48 From: Doctor Peterson Subject: Re: (no subject) Hi, James. Here are the detailed steps to get from c to d; note that you copied the former incorrectly, and the parenthesis goes before the 98: x = (98z - 5)/3 = [(96+2)z - (3+2)]/3 96 and 3 are largest multiples of 3 = [(3*32+2)z - (3*1+2)]/3 32 and 1 are quotients, 2 and 2 remainders = (3*32+2)/3 z - (3*1+2)/3 distribute division = (32 + 2/3)z - (1+2/3) distribute division = 32z + 2z/3 - 1 - 2/3 distribute multiplication = 32z - 1 + 2z/3 - 2/3 reorder x = 32z - 1 + (2z - 2)/3 factor out the division by 3 The main idea is that we are dividing 98 and 5 by 3: __32_rem_2 __1_rem_2 3 ) 98 3 ) 5 96 3 -- - 2 2 98 = 3*32+2 5 = 3*1+2 You got 110 and 224 as one possible answer, but it did not fit the requirement that x and y be less than 100. As the answer you were following says, "if you decrease y by 199 and x by 98, the answer will still obviously work," and you did that to get the final answer, which is correct. But this is not quite arbitrary. Let me show you my solution, which makes this a little clearer: 98y = 199x + 62 y = 199/98 x + 62/98 = (2 + 3/98)x + 62/98 = 2x + (3x+62)/98 Define a = (3x+62)/98, and solve for x: x = (98a-62)/3 = 98/3 a - 62/3 = (32 + 2/3)a - (20 + 2/3) = (32a-20) + (2a-2)/3 Define b = (2a-2)/3, and solve for a: a = (3b+2)/2 = 3/2 b + 1 = (1 + 1/2)b + 1 = b + 1 + b/2 Define c = b/2, and solve for b: b = 2c Now c can be any integer, and each of the other variables will be an integer. So we work backward: a = (3b+2)/2 = (6c+2)/2 = 3c + 1 x = (98a-62)/3 = (98(3c+1) - 62)/3 = (98*3c + 98 - 62)/3 = (98*3c + 36)/3 = 98c + 12 y = (199c + 62)/98 = (199(98c+12) + 62)/98 = (199*98c + 2388+62)/98 = (199*98c + 2450)/98 = 199c + 25 This tells us that x = 98c+12 and y = 199c+25 will be a solution _for any integer c_. In my case, c=0 gives x and y in the right range; the first time I did this, I didn't do the division on the constant terms, so I got x = 98c+992 and y = 199c+2015, and had to find a value of c that would put it in the right range. I did this by dividing 992 by 98 to get 10 12/98; by setting c to 10 x would be the smallest positive value possible, and that gave the answer. As you see, the choice of c is in fact arbitrary, apart from the fact that I want x and y to be the smallest positive values that solve the equation. The process is a little arduous, even though it follows rules all the way. I don't do these too often, and always forget exactly how to do it because I've seen too many different ways of doing essentially the same thing, and confuse them. But this method worked very neatly. I'll try to remember it! - Doctor Peterson, The Math Forum http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
Date: 08/28/2001 at 12:25:43 From: James Davis Subject: Re: (no subject) Thanks a ton for all that. That definitely cleared up my questions. I see now how the problem works and why there are so many different methods for solving it. James
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