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Correct solutions were submitted by:

Atlantic City HS, Atlantic City, New Jersey
   Zack Subin, Grade 9

Bethel Park High School, Bethel Park, Pennsylvania
   Peter DeFilippo, Grade 11

Cheshire High School, Cheshire, Connecticut
   Jennifer Davis, Jim Phillips, Grade 10

College Park HS, Pleasant Hill, California
   Rebecca Pearson, Grade 9

Curtis Junior High, University Place, Washington
   Aaron Biek, Grade 9

Curtis High School, University Place, Washington
   Gregg Erickson, Grade 10

David Mindess Middle School, Ashland, Massachusetts
   Nick Eromin,  Grade 7

Fairfield High School, Fairfield, Connecticut
   Megan Booth, Grade 10
   Bilal Seyal, Smita Chawla, Kyle Halligan, Grade 9

Granada High School, Livermore California
   Ethan L.R. Castor, Grade 10

Hinckley/Finlayson HS, Hinckley, Minnesota
   Lonny Bostrom, Matt Cabak, Grade 10

Juneau Douglas High School, Juneau, Alaska
   Christina Capacci, Cody Bennett, Grade 9

Mount St. Joseph Academy, Flourtown, Pennsylvania
   Jill Sommer, Grade 10

Murray Junior High, Ridgecrest, California
   Cassie Gorish, Grade 8
   Thomas S. Kuo, Grade 7

Randolph Jr./Sr. HS, Randolph, Massachusetts
   Brad Jacobs, Grade 10

River Oaks P.S., York, Ontario, Canada
   Hassan Shamji, Grade 6

Sevastopol High School?, Wisconsin
   Ian Schuster, Grade 9

Smoky Hill High School, Aurora, Colorado
   Brian McCloskey; Somsnit Vanprapa; Yunny Chen; 
     Kary Wyell, Grade 10
   Bryon Joel, Scott Bridger, and Mark Overton, Grade 9

Sycamore School?
   George Mohler-DiMarzio and Jay Wetzel, Grade 8

Waluga Junior High, Lake Oswego, Oregon
   Julie Oest, Grade 8

Brian Gordon        Dartmouth '92, Connecticut
Jhonjon Tan         DLSU, the Philippines


From: Bryon Joel,Scott Bridger, Mark Overton
Grade: 9
School: Smoky hill

Answer: The shed would be 8 feet up the wall on the mud room because 
in 12 feet, it would rise 24 in. + 6 feet is 8 feet.  For the 2nd part
the roof would need to drop 54 in. to reach 8 feet.  54 divided
by 2 (inches dropped every foot) = 27, so it would go out 27 feet.

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        For every foot you go over you go down 2 inches, and if you  
go over 12 feet from the mud room wall to the outer wall of the shed  
you will go down 24 inches (12 times the 2).  Since you end up 6  
feet up and came down 2 feet just do it backwards and put the 2 feet  
back on and you have 6 + 2 = 8 feet high.

        If you continued the mud roof line from 12'6" until it is 8  
feet off the ground you go down a total of 4'6".  Take 4 times 12 + 5  
= 54 inches.  If you go out a foot for every 2" you come down, divide  
your total inches you come down by how fast your coming down (54  
divided by 2 = 27 feet).  The shed would have to come out 27 feet  
before it was 8 feet high.

                        Peter DeFilippo
                        Bethel Park

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From: Julie Oest
Grade: 8th
School: Waluga Junior High

Answer: Part 1:
For each foot of the 12' length of the shed, the height of the roof
goes up 2". That means the roof will go up 24", which is 2'. 
Adding the two feet to the 6 foot hight of the shed you get eight 
feet. So you will need to attach the shed roof eight feet up from 
the ground level of the mud room. 

Part 2:
12'6" - 8' = 4'6", this means the roof will have to go down 4'6" 
from the side of the mud room. Since the roof goes down 2" every 
foot you divide 4'6" by 2" to get the amount of feet the shed roof 
will extend out into the yard. This calculation comes to 27, which
means the shed roof will go out 27' into the yard.

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From: Aaron Biek
Grade: 9
School: Curtis Junior High

Answer: The roof has to go out 12 feet into the yard since the
pitch is 1 foot for every 6 feet it travels out in the yard.
If you start at 8 feet on the roof then you will end up at 
6 feet for the end wall.

The roof goes 6 feet into the yard for every foot of pitch so
the roof will go 27 feet into the yard because it has to travel
4'6" of pitch.  

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Name : Lonny Bostrom
School : Hinckley/Finlayson Highschool

The shed roof needs to be attached 8 feet up the mud room wall. 
This  is how I figured it out; if the end roof of the shed is 6 feet 
and the shed goes out into the yard 12 feet, take the 6 feet and 
rise 2 inches every time you run 1 foot until the run adds up to 12 
feet. the final answer to this part of the problem is 8 feet.

For the second part of the problem if the roof line of the mud room 
is 12 foot 6 inches rise, or in this case drop 2 inches and run 1 
inch each time. Stop dropping when you get to 8 inches and count how 
many times you've runned. The number you come up with will be 27, 
this equals the measure of the length of the shed.

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From: Christina Capacci
Grade: ninth grade
School: Juneau Douglas High School-Phoenix Program

Answer: 
You should probably reconsider your roof's slope because it is 
VERY shallow.
                       Problem one

The roof must connect from a six foot high, twelve foot out wall.  
The roof rises vertically 2 inches for every horizontal foot.  

12    x   2    =  24 inches the roof gains entirely 
feet    inches    per foot of horizontal gain

The roof climbs 2 feet over its original height and thus intersects 
the mud room wall at eight feet.

                      Problem two

12 1/2     -     8           =         4 1/2 
existing        feet, the              feet of vertical
feet of roof    desired height         difference                 
above ground    end point
                above ground

 4 1/2     /    2          =    27 feet horizontally 
feet of        inches,             needed to be eight feet above 
vertical       the amount of       the ground
difference     vertical 
               growth per
               one foot of
               horizontal
               gain

It's good to think of this problem on an x and y axis graph.

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From: Gregg Erickson
Grade: 10
School: Curtis High School

Answer: A: 8 feet up the mud wall, The answer was achieved by taking
12 and times it by 2-for the pitch then taking 24 and dividing by 12
- for inches to the feet the answer is 2 feet plus the original 6
which gives you a grand total of 8 feet.

B: 27 feet out into the yard, You take 12'6" and subtract 8" for 
the intended height, then you take 4"6' and change it into inches
you get 54 inches, then you divide by 2 for the pitch and you 
get 27 feet.

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From: Brad Jacobs
Grade: Sophomore (10)
School: Randolph Jr./Sr. High School

Answer: The answer to the first question is 8 feet because for 
each foot the roof rises 2 inches. Since there are 12 feet in all 
and the roof rises 2 inches for each foot the roof rises a total 
of 24 inches, which can be converted to 2 feet. Adding the 2 feet 
to  the 6 foot wall we started with, we get 8 feet up the mud 
room wall.

  The answer to the second question is 27 feet into the yard 
starting at the point where the mud room meets the shed going 
until it is 8 feet off the ground. 

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From: Cody Bennett
Grade: 9th
School: Phoenix (JDHS)

The shed would be attached at a height of 8'.  The roof rises 2"
for each foot it runs.  The length of the shed will be 12', so 
the roof will rise 24"(12*2) which is 2'.  The far wall of the
shed is 6' high, so it will be attached to the mud room at 8'
off the ground.

If the roof of the mud room was continued, the shed would be 27'
long before it is 8' off the ground.  The difference of the
height of the mud room roof (12'6") and the height of the end
wall of the shed (8') is 4'6" or 54".  Since the pitch is 2", 
the length of the shed will be 54" divided by 2" or 27'.

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From: Nick Eromin
Grade: 7
School: David Mindess Middle School, Ashland, MA

Part I: To start off I knew the roof had a two inch pitch. Since it runs 
twelve feet out, I multiplied twelve and the two inches. I got 
twenty-four inches or two feet. I then added the two feet the roof rises 
to the six feet high the shed was and got eight. Therefor my answer is 
eight feet up from the ground is where the roof will hit the mud room 
floor. 

Part II: I knew the roof had a two foot pitch, so I multiplied two 
inches for the pitch and twenty-four feet out into the yard and got 
forty-eight inches (four feet). So I subtracted four feet from twelve 
feet six inches. I had six more inches to go. I did six inches left to
go divided by the two inch pitch and got three feet. I added 
three feet and twenty-four feet and got twenty-seven feet. My answer is
that it went twenty-seven feet out.

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From: George Mohler-DiMarzio and Jay Wetzel
Grade: 8
School: Sycamore School

Answer: We figured out that the answer to the first part was 8' by
multiplying the bottom 12' by the 2" pitch and then we added the 6' 
at the end.

Next we subtracted 8' from the 12'6" and got 4'6" (54".)  After that 
we divided 54 by 2 (because the pitch is 2" per foot) and got 27 feet 
as the answer to the bottom part.

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From: Cassie Gorish
Grade: 8
School: Murray Junior High

Answer: #1.  It has to be 8 ft. up the wall.  I calculated that if for
every foot 2 in. goes down, then in 12 ft. 24 in. goes down, or
2 ft.  6 + 2 = 8 (of course!)

#2.  12'6" - 8' = 4'6"

      _2_ft._ + _2_ft._ + _6_in._ = 4'6"
      12 ft     12 ft.     3 ft    
 
       12 + 12 + 3 = 27 ft.

     It would go 27 ft. into the yard.

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Matt Cabak
Sophmore at Hinckley Finlayson High School

My solution is as follows:

    The shed wall is eight (8) feet tall

My Explanation:

If the pitch is 2 inches up to every foot horizontally, and the 
length is 12 ft, then the total difference is 24 inches (2 feet).  
2 feet added to 6 feet is 8 feet on the mud room
(sorry about the wordy solution)

My Solution to the bottom portion is...
    27 feet (not sure if correct)

My Explanation:

The roof line of the mud room is 12 feet 6 inches (150 inches)   
Shooting for 96 inches (8 feet) from 150 inches (12'6"), is a 
difference of 54 inches down.  For every foot horizontally, you fall 
2 inches, you divide 54 by 2 and get 27 feet!


Thank You 
Matt Cabak

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From: Ethan L.R. Castor
School: Granada High School, Livermore Ca

Answer: You must attach the the mud room wall at 8'

The shed's roof would by 8' at the mud room wall.
I got this by adding 2" to the 6' end wall and subtracting 1'
from the distance from the mud room wall. My work is as follows

6' 6'2" 6'4" 6'6" 6'8" 6'10" 7'0" 7'2" 7'4" 7'6" 7'8" 7'10" 8'0"
12  11  10    9    8    7     6    5    4    3    2    1     0

For the second part, the roof would be 8' 27 feet from the 
mudroom wall.

- Ethan

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Name:Brian MCCloskey
School:SHHS
Grade:10

Before I started, I looked at all my givens.  The roof was 6' tall 
and 12' long, the roof raised 2" for every 1 foot, and I had to 
find the difference in height between the house and the yard sides 
of the shed.  Therefore I came up with the ratio of 12:2, for the 
raise of the roof.  Since the length of the shed is 12', the raise 
of the roof would be 2'.  I got this by thinking that if for every 
12", the roof raised 2", then for every 12', the roof would raise 
2', for every 120', the roof would raise 12', and so on.  I 
basically just multiply each number by 10.  Getting back to the 
problem, if the roof raised 2', it would meet up with the house at 
8'.  To check my answer, I told myself that the roof was 8' high 
next to the mud room, 6' high in the yard, therefore, what would 
be the length of that stretch of roof, with the ratio of 12:2.  I 
then subtracted 6 from 8 and came up with 2'.  This is the raise 
in the roof.  If for every foot, the roof raised 2", then at how 
many feet would the roof raise 24"?  I then divided 24" by 12" to 
get my answer.  I came up with 12'.  Since that was one of my 
givens, I knew that my answer is correct.

Now for the second problem.  The first thing I did here was list 
my givens; roof was 12'6" at the house, wanted to get where the 
roof was 8', and had the same ratio of 12:2.  I then subtracted 8' 
from 12'6" to find out the distance of descent I would be 
accounting for.  I came up with 4'6".  I then converted 4'6" into 
inches, because the ratio of the slope of the roof is in inches, 
and I wanted to make everything have the same unit of measurement.  
I came up with 54".  I then divided 54" by 2" and came up with 
27'.  This worked out the way it did because the roof had 
descended 54" and if the slope of the roof is 2" to every foot, 
then to get the number of feet, I had to divide the amount of 
descent by the number of inches per foot, since that was the given 
for the slope of the roof.  My answer is that at 27' into the 
yard, the roof will be 8' off of the ground.

Thank you for your time, Brian

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From: Hassan Shamji
Grade: Grade 6
School: River Oaks P.S.

PROBLEM 1: The strategy I used was to create an algorithm. My equation
was: 12 feet (floor length)* 2 inch pitch = 24 inches, which is 2 feet.
That means the pitch makes the roof rise 2 feet and add that onto
the base height of 6 feet comes to a total of 8 feet which shows 
that the shed roofing meets the mud room wall at 8 feet.

PROBLEM 2: I also used the strategy of creating an algorithm.  My 
equation was the following:Mud room roof height is 12 feet 6 inches 
and the roof has a 2 inch pitch and needs to get down to 8 feet. The 
roof has to go down 54 inches and with the 2 inch pitch it will 
stretch out 27 metres into the yard.

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From: Somsnit Vanprapa; Yunny Chen; Kary Wyell
Grade: 10
School: Smoky Hill High School

Answer: The first question you asked is how far up the mud room 
wall the shed roof will need to be attached.  To answer that 
question, I have tried to draw many diagrams. However, the 
diagrams seemed to mess up everything at once.I then found a 
better solution to this; it is, however, not about drawing so many 
diagrams at all. From the information given, The shed runs 12 feet  
out into the yard and is 6 feet tall. The slope is the same as the 
roof of the mud room, which is 2" for each foot it runs. To make 
this easier to calculate, I converted everything into inches. Then 
from the end wall of the mud room to the end of the shed (in the 
yard) is 144" (12'= 144").(12" is 1'.)     

The length of the end wall of the shed up  from the ground is 72" 
(6'= 72".)  I also have to keep the ratio in mind that it is 
12":2".Now let's make a pattern out of this.  Here are my data: 
144 h ( stands for horizontal)  72 v (stands for vertical). From 
the point of 144 we have to go backward to the left a foot or 12" 
at a time. That means it will go up 2" each time too. So the next 
stops would be: 132h and 74v, 120h and 76v, 108h and 78v, 96h and 
80v, 84h and 82v, 72h and 84v, 60h and 86v, 48h and 88v, 36h and 
90v, 24h and 92v, 12h and 94v, 0h and 96v. That means when the 
pitches reach the mud room wall, it will be 96 " tall which is 8'. 
* The answer to the first question is 8' tall. 

The second question you asked is how far out into the yard the 
roof of the shed that continued from the roof of the mud room 
would be before it was 8' off the ground. The explanation to this 
question is very long, but since you did not ask for the 
explanation, then I shall just give you the answer with little 
explanation to it. We will have to work in the opposite way that 
we did with the first question.  We know that it will start from 
0" back into the yard, and the roof line of the mud room is 12'6" 
tall so it is 150" tall in another word. We shall subtract 2" from 
the height each time while we add 12" to the horizontal way. It 
will be 324" far out into the yard when it is 8' off the ground. 
In other word, it is 27' out into the yard.

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Jill Sommer
Grade 10
Mt. St. Joseph Academy

Since for every foot, the roof goes up 2 inches, the roof would 
have to rise 24 inches to compensate for the 12 feet length of the 
shed.  I added that to the 6 feet and decided that the shed roof 
would have to begin 8 feet up the mudroom wall.

If the roof needed to be continuous from that of the mudroom and 
end up 8 feet off the ground, it would need to extend 27 feet from 
the end of the mudroom roof.  To get this answer, I converted 
12'6" and 8' to inches and got 150' and 96'.  Then I subtracted 96 
from 150 and got 54.  Since for every 2 inches the roof went down, 
it went across 1 foot, I divided 54 by 2 and got 27.  So, the roof 
would have to extend 27 feet from the mudroom in order for it to 
run continuously until it was 8' high off the ground.

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From: Zack Subin
Grade: 9
School: Atlantic City High School

Answer: The height of the wall of the shed closest to the house 
would be eight feet.  If the shed roof was built as an extension 
to the mud room roof, the shed's closest wall would have to be 27 
feet away from the mud room wall.

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Bilal Seyal, Fairfield HS, grade 9

I solved this problem by graphing.  The wall between the mud room 
and the shed would be the y-axis and the ground would be the x-axis.
I scaled the units to one foot apart.  I go to the point 
(12, 6) which is where the roof ends on the shed.  Since there is 
a two inch pitch, the slope is 2/12 or 1/6. But the line has a 
negative slope so it is -1/6.  By graphing that line, the y-
intercept is (0,8).  So the shed roof will have to be attached 8 
feet up the mud room wall.

Since the mud room is 12'6" off the ground, the top would be the 
point (0, 12.5).  The slope is -1/6 so the equation of the line is 
y = -1/6 s + 12.5, which is the roof of the mud room.  If this 
roof was extended so that it was also the roof of the shed and if 
the end of the roof is 8 feet off the ground, then, by graphing, 
the shed would have to go out 27 feet into the yard.

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Megan Booth, Fairfield HS, grade 10

1.  If you want the slope of the shed of your roof to have a 2 
inch pitch, the roof will rise 2 feet, making the mud room wall 8 
feet tall.  Since 12' = 144", 12"/2" = 144"/x; x = 2'.  Add this 
to 6'.  If the roof were flat, the shed would be a rectangle, and 
the mud room wall would be 6 feet tall.  When you include the 
pitch, the wall is 8 feet.

2.  By using a proportion, since pitch is proportional, 2"/12" = 
54" (the roof line - end wall)/x (the length).  x = 324" or 27'.

P.S.  Why not change the pitch of the roof on your shed so it 
won't leak on your motorcycle when it rains?

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Smita Chawla, Fairfield HS, grade 9

1.  The shed roof will need to be attached 8 feet high.  If the 
pitch is 2 inches and the length of the shed is 12 feet, then 12 X 
2 = 24" or 2'.  This is because for every foot, you add 2" for the 
pitch.  This is added to the 6' that we already had for the height 
so the shed roof will need to be 8 feet high.

2.  The roof of the shed would go 27' into the yard.  If you start 
at the top of the roof which is 12'6" and you have to go down to 
8', then that is 4'6" or 54".  Then 54" is divided by 2" to get 
the distance of how far the roof is into the yard.  This is 
because if you have to go down 54" and the pitch is 2" then you 
just divide 54 by 2 and you get the distance of how far the roof 
is into the yard which is 27'.

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Kyle Halligan, Fairfield HS, grade 9

1. The roof will attach at 8' up.  This is because it goes up 2" 
every foot. So multiply 2 times 12 for this added height.  That 
equals 24" which changes into 2'.  You add that to the 6' already 
and you get 8' high.

2. The mud roof starts off as 12'6".  This changes into 150".  
You'd like it to stop at 8' so that's 96".  You subtract the two 
and get a difference of 54". You divide that by 2 and get 27' 
which stands for how far out the shed goes which is 27'.

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From:   Thomas S. Kuo
School: Murray Junior High School, Ridgecrest, California
Grade:  7th

POW January 22-26, 1996

1. Answer to the first question is 8 feet.
   I got this by multipling 12 by 2.  The answer was 24" or 2' and 
   then I added it to 6'.  The sum was 8 feet.
    
2. Answer to the second question is 27 feet.
   First I subtracted 12'6" by 8' which was 4'6".  I converted 4'6" 
   into inches which was 54".  Then I divided it by 2" and got 27'.

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From: Ian Schuster
Grade: 9
School: sevastopol

Answer: For the first answer the height of the shed is 8'. All I did to 
get this answer was to divide twelve (distance) by two (the slope 
of the roof) and added it to 6' feet (the other side of the shed). 

For the second answer I got 27'. to get this answer I subtracted 
8' (the height of the shed) from 12.5" (the height of the mud 
room) which is 4.5' (the distance the roof hadto go, to get to be
8' off the ground. Then I divided my answer by 2 (the slope of
the roof).

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Jennifer Davis
Grade 10
Cheshire High School 
Cheshire, ct

The shed is 12 feet long and at the end 6 feet high.  It rises 2" 
every foot going back towards the mud room.  If the shed is 12 
feet long and rises 2" for every foot then the shed will rise 
(12'*2") = 24" which also equals 2 feet. Since the wall began at 6 
feet and it inclined 2 fet the height of the shed when it reaches 
the mud room is 8 feet.  

The roofline of the mudroom is 12'6" off the ground.  If the roof 
of the mudroom continued down to the roof of the shed it would end 
at 8 feet.  12'6" - 8' = 4'6".  So if the roof declines 2" for 
every foot and it needs to decline 4'6" we will have to divide the 
length needed by 2" to get how far out the shed will extend.  
Since 4'6" also equals (4 * 12 ) = 48" + 6 =54".  (54"/2") = 27" .

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Jim Phillips
Grade 10
Cheshire High School
Cheshire CT. 06410

1. The shed wall attached to the mud room will need to be 8 feet 
tall.  The roof pitch is 2 inches per 1 foot.  You have 2 * 12 
feet which is equal to 24 inches which the turns int 2 feet plus 
the original six feet gives you an eight foot wall.

2. Starting with a height of 12 feet 6 inches and you want to get 
to 8 feet thats 54 inches you need to lose in height.  12 inches 
per foot, 4 feet equals 48 inches plus the remaining six gives you 
54 inches which turns into 27 feet.  The shed will jet out into 
the yard 27 feet.

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Rebecca Pearson,  ninth grade  College Park High School, Pleasant Hill

If the roof rises 2" for every foot long it is, and the roof is 12 
ft. long,  then it will rise a total of 24", or 2 ft. above its 
beginning height ( the  outside wall) of 6 ft.  SO you will need 
to attach the root 8 ft. from the  ground on the mud room wall.

To get the mudroom roof that has a pitch of 2" and a height of 12' 
6" to go  down so its ending height would be 8',  you take the 
vertical distance between  12' 6" and 8' (the ending height of the 
shed) and divide it by 2".  So 4' 6"  divided by 2" = 27.  This is 
the number of feet it would extend into the yard. 

(27' x 2" = 4'6")

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From: Brian Gordon
School: Dartmouth '92

For the first part:  Since the roof's height gains two inches per
every foot, it will gain twenty-four inches, or two feet, over the
twelve-foot length of the shed.  So the roof should start two feet
higher than its lower end, or six = two = eight feet high.

For the second part:  You want the roof to drop four feet, six
inches.  This is equal to twenty-seven intervals of two inches.
Since the roof falls two inches for every foot of length, the
shed must be twenty-seven feet long just to get it down to eight
feet high.  That's quite a shed!

--Brian

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From: Jhonjon Tan
Grade: 
School: dlsu

Answer:
    ======
X  =     ============
   =     =========
6  ===============
   =             =
   ===============
         12
from the figure we get x=(12')*(1/6)=2 feet
therefore the height is 6 2=8 feet.

For the second problem, let the unknown be x
x=(4'6'')(1/6)=27 feet.

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2 February 1996