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Both legs of an isosceles triangle are radii of a circle, and the length of each radius is 6. The distance from the center of the circle to a point P on the base of the triangle is 4. If the distances from P to the triangle's other vertices are 5 and x, what is the value of x?

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Not a lot of answers received this week, but detailed descriptions in various formats. Justin Lam sent us two possible solutions - see below.

Justin Lam
Grade: 7th/8th
School: Sequoia Middle School

Given:  Triangle ABC is isosceles with  AB = AC = 6
        Let P be a point on BC such that AP = 4 and PC = 5
        Let x = BP. 
        Find: x

Let <ABC = a.  Then <ACB = a because  Triangle ABC is isosceles.
Apply Laws of Cosines on Triangle APC we get
    4^2 = 5^2+6^2-2(5)(6)cos(a)
     16 = 25+36-60cos(a)
 cos(a) = 3/4
             
Apply Laws of Cosines again. This time on Triangle ABP we get
     4^2 = 6^2+x^2-2(6)(x)cos(a)
      16 = 36+x^2-12xcos(a)
      16 = 36+x^2-12x(3/4)
      16 = 36+x^2-9x
      x^2-9x+20 = 0

Solving for x by factoring    (x-5)(x-4) = 0
      x = 4 or 5

x cannot be 5 because if it is, then BP=PC=5. This would mean that 
AP is the altitude of the isosceles Triangle ABC.  This would also 
mean that Triangle ABP is a right triangle with sides 4, 5, 6 which 
contradicts the Pythagorean Theorem.  So,  x = 4.

Here's another possible solution:

Given: Isosceles Triangle ABC with  AB=AC=6.
       P is on BC such that  AP=4  and PC=5.
       If BP=x, find x.

Let Q be on BC such that AQ is the altitude for Triangle ABC.
Let  AQ=h. 
 
Because Triangle ABC is isosceles, AQ is perpendicular to BC 
and bisects BC (i.e. BQ=QC=(5+x)/2).
Also, PC=5 implies  QP=|(5+x)/2-5|=|(5-(5+x)/2)|.
Now we have two right triangles with 
Triangle AQC = AQ--QC--AC = h--(5+x)/2--6  and
Triangle AQP = AQ--QP--AP = h--|(5+x)/2-5|--4 .

Therefore,  6^2 = h^2+((5+x)/2)^2   and
            4^2 = h^2+((5+x)/2-5)^2  by the Pythagorean Theorem.

Subtracting these two equations, we get  
   20 = ((5+x)/2)^2 - ((5+x)/2-5)^2  or
   20 = (5+x)/2)^2 - ((5+x)/2)^2 - 10(5+x)/2 + 25)  or
   20 = 5(5+x) - 25   or
   5x = 20   or
    x = 4.


Thomas S. Kuo
School: Murray Middle School, Ridgecrest, California
Grade:  8th

                        O
                        *
                      *   *  
                    *  *    *
                  *           *
                *     *         *
              *                   *
            *        *              *
          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
        A           P                   B

     O is the center of a circle
     OA and OB are radii.
     OA = OB = 6
     OP = 4
     AP = 5
     PB = x
     
     x = 4
     (1)  Use the Law of Cosines
     4^2 = 6^2 + 5^2 - 2 * 6 * 5 * cos(A) in triangle OAP
     4^2 = 6^2 + x^2 - 2 * 6 * x * cos(B) in triangle OBP

     (2)  Solve the equations for x.
          (a)  4^2 = 6^2 + 5^2 - 2 * 6 * 5 * cos(A)
               cos(A) = 45/60 = 3/4
          (b)  cos(A) = cos(B) = 3/4
          (c)  4^2 = 6^2 + x^2 - 2 * 6 * x * cos(B)
               4^2 = 6^2 + x^2 - 2 * 6 * x * 3/4
               x^2 - 9x + 20 = 0
               (x - 4) * (x - 5) = 0
               x = 4 or 5

     (3)  Prove that x = 5 is not valid.
     If x = 5, then OP is perpendicular to AB because P would 
     then be the midpoint of AB.
     If you use the Pythagorean Theorem to test if 
     4^2 + 5^2 = 6^2, the result is that they are not equal.


Chui Yuk Man
Grade: Secondary 6
School: Queen Elizabeth School (Hong Kong)

Answer: Let the centre of the circle be O and the isosceles 
triangle be ABC, with A and B both on the circumference 
of the circle.
Point P is on the line AB, and let the mid-point of AB be C.
   OA^2-AC^2=OC^2
   OP^2-PC^2=OC^2
   OA^2-AC^2=OP^2-PC^2
   36-((x+5)/2)^2=16-((x+5)/2-x)^2  
     (It doesn't matter whether it is ((x+5)/2-x)^2 or 
     ((x+5)/2-5)^2 since they are the same)

Solving the above equation, the value of x is 4.


Brian Gordon
Dartmouth '92

The answer is 4.

Drop the perpendicular from the center of the circle.  It
divides the base of the triangle in half, and divides the 
segment of length 5 into smaller segments of p and 5-p.  

I have the diagram set up so the "p" is the middle of the three 
segments.  That way there's a right triangle formed by the p, 
the altitude of the triangle, and the given segment of length 4.

To get an expression for the height, use the right triangle with 
hypotenuse 6 and leg 5-p. The height is then sqrt(36 - (5-p)^2) = 
sqrt(11+10p-p^2).

Use this expression with the first right triangle to get that
[sqrt(11+10p-p^2)]^2 + p^2 = 4^211+10p-p^2 + p^2 = 1611+10p = 
1610p = 5p=.5  which means 5-p = 4.5, and since the original 
triangle was isosceles, then x+p = 4.5 so x = 4.


Ken Duisenberg
Stanford University '93
Hewlett Packard Engineer

Answer: 4.

Solution: 

Draw a line perpendicular to the base that goes through the
center of the circle, let the length of this line be 'd'.  
Then there are two right triangles to which to apply the 
Pythagorean Theorem.  

The two options below allow for easy understanding if 
x is (a) less than or (b) greater than 5, and both lead to 
the same solution:

  (1)  d^2 + [ (5+x)/2 ]^2 = 6^2
  (2a) d^2 + [ ((5+x)/2) - x ]^2 = 4^2, OR
  (2b) d^2 + [ ((5+x)/2) - 5 ]^2 = 4^2

Subtract (1-2):
  (3a) [ (5+x)/2 ]^2 - [ ((5+x)/2) - x ]^2 = 20, OR
  (3b) [ (5+x)/2 ]^2 - [ ((5+x)/2) - 5 ]^2 = 20

Expand the second term and subtract the first:
  (4a) x(5+x) - x^2 = 20, OR
  (4b) 5(5+x) - 25  = 20

Expand, subtract, and solve for x:
  (5a) 5x = 20  -->  x = 4, OR
  (5b) 5x = 20  -->  x = 4.

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27 November 1996