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Topic: Why Drills - NOT Calculators; Ideology and the real, concrete, world.
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Tad Watanabe

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Registered: 12/3/04
Ideology in place of brain
Posted: Jan 3, 1999 3:55 PM
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I must agree with Jack that I still don't get it. I am confused for a
couple of reasons.

First, I am confused because Jack keeps skirting around the request of
the names of "(a) number of constructivist ideologs (who) have
challenged the thesis that thinking actually takes place in a
concrete, material brain and that the process of thinking is formed
by, and, dialectically, also forms and changes the brain." I just
wanted a few references because his claim is so different from what I
am familiar with. I would imagine if I say some followers of Lenin
believe this or that, and if that statement is in conflice with Jack's
understanding of Lenin's ideas, he would want to know my sources.
This request is somewhat irrelevant to his main idea [I would imagine
he can make the same argument if people who make such a claim are
Marxists, for example], but, nevertheless, I am curious what his
sources are.

Second, I am confused how he equates the claim calcuation is waste and
the idea that thinking takes place somewhere other than in our brains.
Perhaps a part of the reason is that this first claim is made without
any context. For example, I think there are plenty of HS science
teachers who would favor stuents using calculators as they engage in
some experiments. So, perhaps Jack is implying that there are people
(allegedely constructivists?) who do not believe in teaching any
arithmetic in younger grades. Then, again, this comes back to the
question of who those people are. [I know there are many people who
say that the goal of mathematics education should not be just
re-creating poor imitations of $5 calculators. Agreeing with such a
statement, however, does not mean that learning arithmetic is
unimportant in every context.]

Perhaps implicit in my request is a question, "Is there really such
(constructivist) math educator???" I know many constructivists (and
those who do not label themselves as such), for example C. Kamii, who
argue against teaching (imposing) specific computational algorithms,
and instead, encourage helping children to create their own methods.
But, that approach seems to be very different from saying 'calculation
is waste' or 'thinking doesn't take place in our brains.' In fact,
those people usually encourage children to use their own ability to
reason/think. So, in order to help children master the basic facts,
they would want children to use their own strategies, like 6+7 is 13
because 6+6 is 12 and one more. I don't know why such an approach is
the same thing as 'thinking doesn't take place in our brains.'

There is no question brain research is very important for math
education. I think we need to understand more about how our brains
work, and I really don't know any constructivists who disagree.

Tad Watanabe




Date Subject Author
12/22/98
Read Why Drills - NOT Calculators; Ideology and the real, concrete, world.
Jack Jersawitz
12/22/98
Read Why Drills - NOT Calculators; Ideology and the real, concrete, world.
Steve Jystad
12/22/98
Read Ideology
Jack Jersawitz
12/23/98
Read ideology
Tad Watanabe
12/25/98
Read Ideology in place of brain
Jack Jersawitz
1/3/99
Read Ideology in place of brain
Tad Watanabe
1/5/99
Read Wrong again Tad
Jack Jersawitz
1/8/99
Read Oh no, wrong again?
Tad Watanabe
1/8/99
Read Oh no, wrong again?
Tad Watanabe
8/27/99
Read Oh no, wrong again!
Marcie
8/28/99
Read Thinking is material
Jack Jersawitz
8/28/99
Read Good old advice you can sink your teeth into...
Newton Leibniz
9/10/99
Read Thank You!
Marcie
11/13/99
Read My child and NCTM
Anna Ling
11/13/99
Read re. Your child and NCTM
Geoff Hagopian
11/13/99
Read Mother
Anna Ling
11/13/99
Read Your child and NCTM
Victor Steinbok
11/13/99
Read Mother
Anna Ling
12/7/99
Read word problems and mothers
Victor Steinbok
11/14/99
Read What program Anna?
Newton Liebniz
11/14/99
Read Mathematically Correct letter
Geoff Hagopian
11/15/99
Read Mathematically (in)Correct Letter
Stewart H. Temper
11/16/99
Read Response to Stewart
Newton Liebniz
11/15/99
Read Mathematically (in)Correct Letter
Stewart H. Temper
11/22/99
Read figured it out
Anna Ling
11/18/99
Read More thoughts re early math ed
Kirby Urner
11/18/99
Read The chicken or the egg
Jack Jersawitz
11/18/99
Read The chicken or the egg
Jack Jersawitz
11/18/99
Read The chicken or the egg
Jack Jersawitz
11/18/99
Read Moving beyond Set Theory in favor of Objects and Events
Kirby Urner
11/18/99
Read Re mistakes, plus short book review
Kirby Urner
11/21/99
Read A dangerous fellow
Jack Jersawitz

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