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Topic: 3 dimensions and their 6 directions
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 Tim Golden http://bandtech.com Posts: 1,490 Registered: 12/13/04
Posted: May 15, 2010 5:29 PM

On May 15, 2:32 pm, dlzc <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
> Dear Tim Golden BandTech.com:
>
> On May 14, 7:02 pm, "Tim Golden BandTech.com" <tttppp...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>

> > On May 14, 3:20 pm, dlzc <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > On May 14, 7:12 am, "Tim Golden BandTech.com" <tttppp...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > ...

>
> > > > Dave, why don't you go outside and hold a
> > > > mirror toward the sun; a big one; full
> > > > length six footer, say three feet wide.
> > > > You'll be at around 2000 watts and should
> > > > be doubling that due to reflection right?
> > > > Just think of the power... Jee, Oooh,
> > > > Aaaah...

>
> > > ... "1.21 Jigawatss" ...
>
> > > > We doubled the power. There is a
> > > > falsification.

>
> > > No.
>
> > > > Your own 4kw ballistic reflector. You know
> > > > how much power that is? That's alot of
> > > > stinkin' power!

>
> > >http://www.terrapub.co.jp/journals/EPS/pdf/5109/51090979.pdf
>
>
>
>

> > > Seriously, you need to get out more. We know what
> > > light does, and [you] strain with your little toys in the
> > > dirt. You remind me of Aristotle, and how he argued
> > > that the nature of motion was for objects to be at rest,
> > > unless acted on by some force. Bad bearings are
> > > clouding your judgement.

>
> > Due to conservation of energy if an excellent reflector
> > receives 1000 watts of power and it returns that 1000
> > watts to space toward the source then there can be
> > no work done.

>
> Not true. In free fall, I throw a medicine ball to you, and you throw
> it equally hard back to me. We are both moving away from each other.

Under this situation where we each throw it 'equally hard' it will
return to you at a slower speed, because I have accelerated away from
you in catching it. Under repetition of this procedure there will be a
diminishing acceleration.

Let's say you throw me the medicine ball at 10 m/s, and that my
velocity increases by 1 m/s away from you. For me to return the
medicine ball to you at the same velocity (we're getting into some
tricky relative reference frames here, but let's just assume that
you've remained stationary to keep from getting into too much
complication) Then I'll have to send it at 12 m/s (add another 1m/s to
my velocity when I release the ball) and that will require expending
energy on my part. This is ignoring some important details, but is a
reasonable first approximation. If we keep a perfectly elastic
reaction on my end the ball will not return to you at the same speed
that it left you. No matter what we do conservation of energy applies,
and we will need to expend energy in order to maintain the balls
velocity relative to you, or even to me, because my own acceleration
has taken some of that energy, even in a perfectly elastic situation.
You may be envisioning a sort of one way spring, but the one way
spring will not provide me with acceleration.

This one way spring effect is somewhat what I am claiming the light
behaves as. A perfect reflector is this one way spring; returning all
the energy that it received back toward the source, thereby ensuring
that no acceleration took place. We could formalize this if you are
feeling really persistent, but it should still be possible for you to
falsify my statement. Likewise it should be possible for me to falsify
yours. I have just done that here.

>
> ...
>

> > I am willing to accept that modern science is
> > falsifiable. I believe that this subject is another
> > instance. But again, I'm open to being
> > wrong. I just wish you could prove it to me.

>
> I have, over and over. But you ignore it, as you always have done.
> You have this obsession, and I cannot help you get past it. Only you
> can do that. I've even provided links that you can read...
>
> David A. Smith

SELENE
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
launched in 2007 and the article you reference was written in 1999. Of
the numerous articles listed at the bottom of this wiki page I did
instead detailed the usage of thrusters on those secondary satellites.
Like the article on improved radiometers there is no material evidence
but you have enlarged your camp by three, let's say. Really it's alot
more than three. But this is not proof, except by socialization. We
are not doing political science here.

Are you claiming that a square meter reflective plate can yield 1000
or 2000 watts of power to the holder? I really would appreciate an
answer in terms of the accepted energy level, which wiki says is more
like 1300 watts per square meter. I do receive this power right? Then
I throw it back? And I am then achieving a doubling correct? How can
you turn this huge amount of power into the pittance that we can prove
it is? We're talking about a few horsepower here. If the ballistic
theory were true then we would exist on a drastically different
planet. It is an impressive amount of energy and when absorbed by the
right materials does much more than heat things up, and it should be
the only fusion reactor we ever need. But we are not going to witness
the direct conversion to acceleration so easily as some wish. It may
one day be possible.

states that 1370 W/m/m equates to a radiation pressure of 4.6
micropascals. It seems I have to get into the Stefan Boltzman Law in
order to understand this. It is not the electromagnetic energy they
are talking about, though their language comes awfully close to this
interpretation.

- Tim

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