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Topic: What are cause and effect?
Replies: 1,135   Last Post: Dec 13, 2010 8:20 PM

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 huangxienchen@yahoo.com Posts: 793 Registered: 12/2/06
Re: What are cause and effect?
Posted: Nov 1, 2010 11:29 PM

On Nov 1, 2:01 am, Patricia Aldoraz <patricia.aldo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Nov 1, 5:39 pm, Huang <huangxienc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

> > On Oct 31, 5:01 pm, Patricia Aldoraz <patricia.aldo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:

> > > There is a distinction which you miss. A process can appear random
> > > when it is not. And it can be random when it does not appear to be so.
> > > Your speculation rides roughshod over this useful distinction.

>
> > Now I think that you're simply trifling with me Patricia....
>
> If you cannot understand the distinction I am alluding to, just say
> so. It is really simple. All you have to say is, Please explain this
> Miss, I am anxious to learn from your teachings. Now, how hard is
> that? <g>
>

> > Your observation is a very elementary fact.
>
> So why do you seem to ignore it?
>

> > What Im saying is that the notions of randomness or determinacy may be
> > irrelevant to processes. For example, if we said that all the odd
> > integers are blue and all the even integers are green....then what is
> > the color of whatever number after whatever manipulations. Numbers do
> > not have color. It is irrelevant to them.

>
> What? Are you on something Huang? Send a bit to me, it sounds like
> fun.
>

> > In that same sense, Im floating the possibility that the notion of
> > randomness or determinacy may itself be vacuous and without meaning in
> > physical reality.

>
> > What-ya-got-to-say to-dat
>
> If you understood the distinction I alluded to, you would not say that
> the notion was vacuous, it has a clear meaning.

You are missing my point entirely Miss Patricia, I'm afraid.

I do understand exactly what you were saying, and in fact this has
been the focus of almost every post I ever made. So, why you would say
that I dont "get it" is a little cynical on your part, it seems to me.

I have stated thousands of times that while randomness and determinacy
are indeed distinct, that they are EQUIVALENT. So maybe you could
indulge me with a response to that concept DIRECTLY please.

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