On Jul 11, 3:21 am, Marshall <marshall.spi...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 10, 9:00 pm, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 10, 6:12 pm, MoeBlee <modem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 9, 8:33 am, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 6, 1:00 pm, MoeBlee <modem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > WHAT "unaswerable questions" are ignored? WHAT specific question do > > > > > you think has no answer but you think is ignored? > > > > > When do the balls, which are in the vase before noon, and which do not > > > > move at noon, disappear? > > > > Just in sci.logic alone over the last several years up to TODAY, I > > > would guess there are LITERALLY at least 20000 posts about that > > > subject. I don't think it is a subject that has been ignored. > > > > Also, what you said is, "I find also that unanswerable questions IN > > > THE CONTEXT OF of ZFC are generally simply ignored." [emphasis added]. > > > > ZFC doesn't mention balls, vases, time, nor noon. I don't expect ZFC > > > to be a court in which to try such conundrums as introduced by > > > imagining an infinite number of physical actions occurring in a finite > > > time. There are lots of thought experiments to contemplate in all > > > kinds of subject matters. I would not think that ZFC itself should be > > > required to settle them all. > > > > MoeBlee > > > Well, you certainly didn't answer the question, and never have, > > because you can't. > > The question has been answered about a thousand times. > You confuse an answer you don't like with the lack of an answer. > > > You like to spew a lot of verbiage without really > > addressing the question. > > Moe addresses your questions head on, Mr. Lepidopteran. > > > Further, this is a result supposedly resting > > on the brilliance of ZFC and the Mighty von Neumann Ordinals. > > Neither one is mentioned in the balls-and-vase problem. > > > So, your > > response, while not nonexistent, is essentially without substance. > > You want the truth? You can't handle the truth! > > As to your question "When do the balls, which are in the vase before > noon, and which do not move at noon, disappear?" the answer > is given in the problem statement. Each ball is removed from the > vase (they don't "disappear") at a different time. For any given > ball, the time of its removal is specified by a simple formula. > > Marshall
Again, a non-answer to a simple question which points out the nonsensical nature of the problem itself. Balls are in the vase at every moment in (11:59, 12:00). At 12:00 nothing happens - no ball moves. It is your contention that there are no balls left at noon because every ball is removed "by" noon, but by the only reasonable definition of and event occurring "by noon", it either occurs *before* noon, or *at* noon. So, which is it? When does the vase become empty?
If there is no clear answer to this question, then something is wrong with your concept of time in this case, thanks to Zeno, and the problem itself makes no sense.
