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Re: Common Core
Posted: Sep 27, 2011 10:40 PM
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I sent this out to all as both Liz Waite and I were in on the SED conference call on August 30, 2011, in which John Svendsen did tell us to hang tight as far as High School Mathematics was concerned as the Board had not made a decision. He promised to let us know as soon as anything changed but in his busyness, he did not until I emailed him a couple times. So, below was his message--we already knew they were going with the traditional pathways, not the intergrated approach.

In August he did tell us the Algrebra curriculum could be introduced in 2012-2013, but he thought at that time, that it would not be put into place until the following year, 2013-2014. He said, hang tight and just add the mathematical practices until the decision is made. So, I guess even working at SED, one can never second guess what is going to be approved. All of us have our work cut out for us! For some grades, there are more changes than at others and the gaps have to be filled! We will talk with John on Oct 5th and if you have questions for him, email Liz Waite or myself and we will pose them to him.
Iva Jean Tennant

This is the message I received from John S, one of our math associates at SED.

Now to answer your questions. The Board approved the traditional pathway for the high school in January.

NYS has decided to use the Appendix A that is posted on our website as the course standards for Algebra I, Geometry, and Algebra II. These are the standards that students should know and be able to do for each course and will subsequently be assessed on according to the timeline you mentioned.

"So, has the board approved switching to CCSS for integrated algebra for 12-13 school year but using our state test that has been aligned to CCSS and the same for the next year with geometry?" Yes.
The Board has not yet officially adopted the PARCC assessments at any level. The assessments will be based on the NYS P-12 CCLSM for 3-8 and Algebra I for 2012-13 and the assessments will be designed by NYS. This will continue for 2013-2014 and include Geometry. After that is when PARCC will take over, if adopted. NYS can, and may, only adopt 3-8 and continue with Regents Examinations at the high school level, or not. Or, at that point, continue with creating all of the examinations in house. I hope this helps clarify the situation at hand.
This still leaves many questions. New test specs still have to be created. I will give you the information as it unfolds at this end. We are in for a whirlwind for the next few years. I am confident though that our relationship with AMTNYS will help to get the message out as we move through it all.

-----Original Message-----
To: nyshsmath <>
Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: Common Core

Please check the NYSED site below.

>>> Evan Romer <> 9/26/2011 12:32 AM >>>
If you're referring to "Appendix A - Common Core Standards for Math:
Designing High School Math Courses," that's a national CCSS document
(not a NY document), giving two possible breakdowns for HS courses:
the "traditional" pathway and the "integrated" pathway. How HY will
implement this has yet to be determined. NY has chosen (tentatively?
definitely?) the "traditional" pathway in concept, but does not plan
to follow Appendix A in its specifics.

As far as I know, the most recent information we have about the HS
course breakdown for NY are the drafts that have been mentioned in
previous posts, but those are drafts:

If I'm wrong about any of this, someone please correct me. I've been
learning a lot from this discussion the last few days.

Evan Romer
Susquehanna Valley HS
Conklin NY

On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:22AM, wrote:

> There is an Appendix A to the CCLS for math that breaks it down by
> course. You can find it by doing a search on the engageny website.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick B <>
> Sender:
> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:52:41
> To: <>
> Reply-To:
> Subject: Re: Common Core
> I've run through all of the documentation both from the Common Core
> and from New York State on and the important question
> of what we're teaching in which course is very much unanswered. The
> documentation has all of high school math laid out by overarching
> topic and not by course. The only documentation I can find by
> course are those documents kindly posted by, and that
> documentation is a draft with lots of cross outs and ambiguities.
> If I am not looking in the right spot on the engaging website,
> please point me in the right direction :)
> While I believe in the Common Core, it will only be successful in
> New York if teachers know what they are responsible for teaching in
> each course. The current documentation is inexcusably nebulous and
> quite unhelpful in deciding the direction of our year-to-year
> curricula.
> The other concern I have with the Common Core is that it seems as
> though it is being phased in all at once. I would argue that kids
> coming from the eighth grade into the new algebra course as outlined
> by the JMAP documents are in for a rude awakening in terms of what
> they are being asked to do and understand. This is why it is
> critical that NYSED do a lot more than it has done in terms of
> getting districts and teachers ready for the Core.

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