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No Putnam spoilers please
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Dec 7, 2012 12:47 AM




Re: No Putnam spoilers please
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Dec 7, 2012 12:47 AM


On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:10:22 +0200, Phil Carmody wrote:
> Adding rec.puzzles > > William Elliot <marsh@panix.com> writes: >> On Sat, 2 Dec 2012, Bart Goddard wrote: >> > William Elliot <marsh@panix.com> wrote in >> > >> > > How do we know if a question is a Putnam question? >> > >> > It'll have the number 2012 in it somewhere. >> >> "What's 5^2012 mod 7?" is a Putnam question? ;} > > I come with Putnamrelated news from the future. My future self > remains interested in Putnam questions, and so has seen them all > for many years to come. Alas, in bringing the question back in > time, some of the information has become lost. > > He/I says that one of the questions is: > "What is b^y mod y?" > where 'b' is a small number, and 'y' is the year of that Putnam > competition. He also provided me with the answer, which was another > year from the future where the Putnam took place.
Presumably the answer x is such that b^y mod y == x and b^z mod z == x where z = y+1, and x > 2012, ie, x is in our present future, not the future relative to y or z, because x is less than both of them.
> Strangely, he sent me this message twice, a year apart. > > What puzzles me is when were these messages were sent, and what the > actual questions were before the information loss...
There seem to be at least a hundred such yearpairs in the next thousand years; for example, 30^2469 mod 2469 == 2310 and 30^2470 mod 2470 == 2310 32^2312 mod 2312 == 2024 and 32^2313 mod 2313 == 2024 51^2974 mod 2974 == 2601 and 51^2975 mod 2975 == 2601 832^2041 mod 2041 == 2028 and 832^2042 mod 2042 == 2028 although perhaps the value of b in the last case isn't "small".
More distantly, 2^9053 mod 9053 == 8632 and 2^9054 mod 9054 == 8632 3^66704 mod 66704 == 20673 and 3^66705 mod 66705 == 20673 4^7781 mod 7781 == 4096 and 4^7782 mod 7782 == 4096 = 2^12 5^7015 mod 7015 == 4745 and 5^7016 mod 7016 == 4745 6^24655 mod 24655 == 7776 and 6^24656 mod 24656 == 7776 = 6^5 7^7203 mod 7203 == 2401 and 7^7204 mod 7204 == 2401 = 7^4 8^58482 mod 58482 == 29242 and 8^58483 mod 58483 == 29242 9^8207 mod 8207 == 6993 and 9^8208 mod 8208 == 6993 10^9233 mod 9233 == 4618 and 10^9234 mod 9234 == 4618 11^17347 mod 17347 == 14641 and 11^17348 mod 17348 == 14641 = 11^4
9^66428 mod 66428 == 6561 = 3^8 9^66429 mod 66429 == 6561 9^66430 mod 66430 == 6561
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