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Re: Happy (Late) 90th Birthday, George Spencer Brown!
Posted: Feb 21, 2013 11:24 AM

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Uncle Steve wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 04:57:02PM -0800, M Purcell wrote:
>> On Feb 20, 3:39Â pm, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 01:48:59PM -0800, M Purcell wrote:
>>>> On Feb 20, 12:39Â pm, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:47:59AM -0800, M Purcell wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Uncle Steve wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 09:46:07AM -0800, M Purcell wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 8:00Â am, mimus <mimu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In 1969, George Spencer Brown (abbreviated among the
>>>>>>>>> cognoscenti as â?oGSBâ?) published _ Laws of Form _
>>>>>>>>> (abbreviated among the cognoscenti as â?oLoFâ?), the classic
>>>>>>>>> and exhaustive study of the simplest possible analysis,
>>>>>>>>> involving two indexes or indices and transition between
>>>>>>>>> those indices, providing an elegant and powerful calculus for
>>>>>>>>> such analysis; extending it to the corresponding binary
>>>>>>>>> arithmetic and algebra; treating questions both fundamental
>>>>>>>>> and advanced about such analysis, calculus, arithmetic and
>>>>>>>>> algebra; and applying that algebra in Appendix 2 to the
>>>>>>>>> binary resolution or analysis of propositional logical
>>>>>>>>> arguments and to set analysis.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> The book has gone through many editions since, and deservedly
>>>>>>>>> so.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the 4th of this month, GSB celebrated, possibly, his 90th
>>>>>>>>> birthday.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Happy (Late) 90th Birthday, GSB!
>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.omath.org.il/Unity-of-mathematics.html
>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone had to do it.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> < GSB's reason for writing LoF
>>>
>>>>>>>> Duality might be an artifact of our consciousness.
>>>
>>>>>>> Might? Â How about mainly a product of wishful thinking or
>>>>>>> dogmatic projection.
>>>
>>>>>> I suspect it's a result of fluctuations in human hemeostasis.
>>>
>>>>> Possibly[1], but I suspect it is more due to the fact that things
>>>>> often seem similar to each other, from which magical mystical
>>>>> properties are inferred (or dogmatically imposed).
>>>
>>>> There are many types of relationships, it helps to clairify them.
>>>
>>>>> [1] If I understand the intended meaning of 'hemeostasis'.
>>>
>>>> A balance between extremes. It's our body's self regulation
>>>> (generally with a feed-back mechanism) that provides stable
>>>> functionality and I suspect that it extends to the mind.
>>>
>>> I suppose I was not understanding your intended meaning.
>>> Homeostasis is a general principle of control theory, describing the
>>> effect of negative feedback to produce equilibrium. Â Positing a
>>> link between mind and a homostatic effect in relation to duality is
>>> equivalent to pulling a theory out of your ass. Â For instance the
>>> idea of 'yin' and 'yang' is a religious concept, and says nothing
>>> about physical, or real processes.
>>
>> Do you believe the mind is independent of the body?
>>
>>>>>>>> "...the first distinction, the Mark and the observer are not
>>>>>>>> only interchangeable, but, in the form, identical."
>>>
>>>>>>> That delusion pays most of the bills for all the idiotic
>>>>>>> religious ideation that stupid kids find so attractive.
>>>
>>>>>> http://www.livescience.com/23426-uncertainty-principle-measurement-di...
>>>
>>>>>> I still see scienctific articles attributing it to the act of
>>>>>> measurement.
>>>
>>>>> It is one thing to suggest that observation or measurement
>>>>> affects the system under study, and quite another to conflate the
>>>>> observed and the observer. Â The second proposition is simply
>>>>> dishonest, but a favorite among those who enjoy the delusion of
>>>>> solopsism. Â Carried to an extreme it is likely the prime mover
>>>>> of modern Creationism.
>>>
>>>> Sounds more like nihilism, the creation story comes from the bible.
>>>
>>> Modern creationism is in effect an imposition of the believer on how
>>> they wish reality to be, and God is used as the excuse.
>>
>> And you believe you know what other people should believe?
>>
>>>>>>>> However science requires objective observations.
>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2013/02/18/32776/
>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rather than validating existing mathematical models with
>>>>>>>> experimental data, Bondar uses the data to derive the
>>>>>>>> equations."
>>>
>>>>>>> Seems to be a "scientific" recapitulation of subjectivity. Â
>>>>>>> More than not, people confuse their subjective apprehension of
>>>>>>> reality with reality itself, which is necessarily
>>>>>>> quantitatively and qualitatively objective in and of itself.
>>>
>>>>>> Particularly in the social sciences.
>>>
>>>>>> http://www.livescience.com/27262-psychology-studies-questioned.html
>>>
>>>>> Of course. Â I've dealt with morons who assumed that I was
>>>>> obligated to believe their deceits since they decided that's what
>>>>> a normal person would do.
>>>
>>>> People have only theirselves as a standard.
>>>
>>>>> Assholes.
>>>
>>>> Everybody has one.
>>>
>>>>> The paternalistic notions of pop culture assume that people will
>>>>> live according to the narrow conceptual repitoire of all the
>>>>> mainstream propaganda produced by it's mainstream 'authorities'.
>>>
>>>> We generally associate with those who share our beliefs and vice
>>>> versa.
>>>
>>> If possible, and by preference.
>>
>> To the exclusion of everybody else of course.
>
> In my case I would mostly prefer to avoid right-wing zealots, Nazis,
> corrupt government employees, serial killers, and Khmer Rouge fanboiz,
> heroin addicts, and losers who believe the crap fed to them through
> the boob-toob.
>
>>>>>>> I suspect the real problem with a GUTOE is politics and the
>>>>>>> current state of physics. Â Probably some people have decided
>>>>>>> they want a TOE without waiting until our understanding of
>>>>>>> physics and cosmology is equal to the task.
>>>
>>>>>> Everything is a very broad catagory.
>>>
>>>>> Absolutely. Â What we think of as the space/time continuum may be
>>>>> a subset of the category of everything, which is not to say that
>>>>> I am supporting any notion of the supernatural.
>>>
>>>> They may unify QM and GR but there's a lot more to life. I believe
>>>> we should spend more on brain research.
>>>
>>> Sure. Â Do whatever you want to do, but keep your grubby hands away
>>> from my thought processes.
>>
>> Wouldn't dream of it.
>
> I'm not concerned with your dreaming.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Uncle Steve

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