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Topic: Matheology § 224
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Re: Matheology § 224
Posted: Apr 16, 2013 2:55 AM
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On 16/04/2013 12:35 AM, Nam Nguyen wrote:
> On 16/04/2013 12:28 AM, Nam Nguyen wrote:
>> On 16/04/2013 12:06 AM, fom wrote:
>>> On 4/16/2013 12:38 AM, Nam Nguyen wrote:
>>>> On 15/04/2013 5:38 AM, Alan Smaill wrote:
>>>>> Nam Nguyen <> writes:

>>>>>> My presentation over the years is that it does _not_ matter
>>>>>> what, say, Nam, fom, Frederick, Peter, ... would do to
>>>>>> "specify an infinite domain", including IP (Induction Principle),
>>>>>> a cost will be exacted on the ability to claim we know, verify,
>>>>>> or otherwise prove, in FOL level or in metalogic level.
>>>>>> The opponents of the presentation seem to believe that with IP
>>>>>> we could go as far as proving/disproving anything assertion,
>>>>>> except it would be just a matter of time.

>>>>> I haven't seen anyone claim that, and I certainly don't.

>>>> They claimed that my claim about the relativity of truth of cGC
>>>> would be in vain because like GC, we might _one day_ compute a
>>>> counter example, hence the absolute truth value would be
>>>> established.
>>>> But such reasoning indirectly assumes _there is no statement_
>>>> _that is relativistic_ hence my allegation above.

>>> Hmm...
>>> Explaining that there is a reasonable prior requirement
>>> to accept an assertion that a statement is "relative" seems
>>> to have fallen on deaf ears (or, in this case, blind eyes).
>>> There is a standard that establishes such relativity.
>>> It would involve proving the independence
>>> of the given statement by demonstrating a model
>>> in which it holds and a model in which it fails.

>>> Set theory is full of such statements. The literature
>>> involving set theory is full of "what ifs" involving
>>> independent statements that have been assumed to
>>> investigate results which follow from them.

>> I'm sorry, fom. If you love to argue for nothing then go
>> ahead, but there's no logical reason why I have to listen
>> to you.
>> I already explained in a conversation with Peter, about isosceles
>> triangle, that the mathematical phenomenon of relativity would occur
>> in many areas. But in any rate my definition of mathematical relativity
>> is _based on incomplete set specification_ , as per my my Def-1 and
>> Def-2 which you've kept refusing to consider even though I said
>> many times that those definitions are crucial to my thesis about cGC.
>> If you don't care to constructively argue here about cGC, and keep
>> going back and forth with your irrelevant undecidable-formula kind
>> of relativity (in some form) then go ahead. Just don't blame me for
>> not being interested.

> Would you be able to say why you couldn't respond to Def-1 and Def-2?
> Would there be reasons that would hold you back? What are they?

I hope you understand I have good reasons to stay away from quite
a lot of what you've said: _I have to defend_ my presentations
and if one keeps bringing up issues that aren't clearly relevant to
what I'm defending then most likely I have to ignore that.

There is no remainder in the mathematics of infinity.


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