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Topic: The sad decline of America’s colleges
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Martin E. Flashman

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Registered: 5/12/13
Re: The sad decline of America’s colleges
Posted: Sep 23, 2013 10:17 AM
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I have followed your remarks on lists for too many years to count- going
back to the (open) math wars. Though I admit that I usually don't find your
remarks directed at helping others to teach or understand mathematics or
math education better - or to do something concrete that would improve the
state of math education for either math teachers or learners, *my message
was not directed at you personally. *

Every so often the straw gets a little too heavy for me to carry -so I ask
people to stop putting straw on my back. You are right- in my view you are
not the only offender.- and I am not the policeman- or the moderator- of
this list. [I did own the calc-reform list many years ago and when
discussions left the topic I would work on bringing discussions back to the
basic purpose of the list.]

People on lists often respond to messages by "taking the bait" and then are
drawn into discussions which lead off topic. In a moderated list, this is
controlled by a moderator. In an open list- the control comes from those
who respond. So if discussions lead to a long thread of meaningful
interactions on the list topic the members can consider they have
contributed to the success of the list. When they don't, the list losses
readership and members leave. C'est la vie.

Sorry if you spent too much of your time on researching my history on this
list. If you enjoy such research, maybe you should consider working for the
NIA. :)

*This is more than enough for me- I am don responding to this thread, which
started with your message: "The sad decline of America?s colleges"- clearly
marked on the subject line.*


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Haim <> wrote:

> Martin E. Flashman Posted: Sep 22, 2013 7:53 PM

> > Discussion: mathedcc
> > A discussion on all topics relating to *mathematics
> >education*.
> >
> >Except for the brief mention of math remediation- in my
> >view-the message that this reply addresses does not
> >satisfy the definition of this e-list-it is not a
> >discussion of a topic related to mathematics education.
> >
> >Sometimes I wish this list were moderated- I do enjoy
> >reading messages that actually satisfy the definition.

> Martin, I wonder which messages you mean. In a brief review of topics
> submitted recently to this forum, I see:
> (1) 9/22 "Tech Mania Goes To College", about MOOCs;
> (2) 9/21 "The President And The Pipeline", about the Keyston XL oil
> pipeline;
> (3) 9/17 "Making American Higher Education a Sustainable Enterprise;
> (4) 9/16 "Are Tenure Track Professors Better Teachers?";
> (5) 8/17 "Is There a Gender Achievement Gap In Introductory College Math?";
> (6) 7/31 "A Looming Disaster?: Appointment of Larry Summers to
> Chairmanship of the Federal Reserve";
> (7) 6/27 "Would A Carbon Tax Alone Save Life On Planet Earth";
> (8) 6/24 "Assessment of Climate Change";
> (9) 6/12 "Why Democrats In Congress Fail To Support Climate Change
> Legislation";
> (10) 6/9 "Senator Sheldon Whitehouse - Time to Wake Up: GOP Opposition to
> Climate Science"
> and so on. These topics, and many others, have less to do with math
> education than my submission, but you did not object to any of them. Why
> not?
> In fact, the only other time I recall you raising this objection was on
> 5/12 when you objected to the topic, "Did someone say, 'Bubble'?" which was
> also about the condition of higher education and also submitted by me.
> So, Martin, I have to ask: do you object to discussions about higher
> education (although that does not seem right since others submit such
> topics without eliciting your objection) or do you object to me? I will be
> perfectly happy to take your response publicly or privately.
> Haim
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