"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote: > "hanson" <email@example.com> wrote: Anyways, back to LENR. My Org's Forging Division got govt. funding ca. 1990 to carry out a few experiments wherein they took a large mounted 5 ton block of iron and stuck it into a bath of DCl and TCl. The DCl &TCl containing Acid was supposed to make the nascent T/D diffuse into the Fe-matrix... based on the classical Hydrogen embrittlement phenomenon. They then made the block vibrate, Tesla style, & hoped that certain resonance spots within the block would create pressures momentarily high enough to induce fusion... > While on the job, OSHA came by, unexpected, & ordered us to shut down for not having (neutron) radiation permits. ... years later, I ran across one of the dudes involved in the project which continued in another lab, and he said: "It went **black**.. We got neutrons but the iron block fractured, from/by hair cracks preventing the needed resonance time to have any meaningful, repeatable power production. Thereafter we re-applied, remolded the 5 ton block and drilled a series of rows'n columns of holes into it and filled them with T/D Cl. But with that config too the resonances were insufficient... & with that the $$$ spigot got turned off and the show died. > Jan wrote: Based on my own experiments from the sixties: Cold Fusion or LENR is real. Long before Pons & F duplicated my experiments, And no I won't tell you what I used, at least not now. But it is cool that they are moving in that direction. --------- I found the effect purely by accident, trying electrolysis on many things, and noticed the radiation. Sort of scared me, and I did have no explanation. I dunno about that pressure theory you mention. Some years before P&F I mentioned it to my boss.. He asked" Why did you not mention it when you were in (sort of CERN thing)?". My reply was "They would never believe or accept it". And then some years later EXACTLY that happened. The brain dead would not notice a car hitting them if it did not fit their 'standard model'. P&F got ridiculed.
Later I realized what it was that I did right, it was very obvious, and pure luck in a way.
 Is not that the old way of thinking? I have mentioned it many times here, if you cannot do it with those tiny particles on the desktop, then you cannot do it with a machine the size of the universe. > hanson wrote: re:  , ... well that is a philosophical statement. True Nature is self-similar in all fields and over all orders of magnitudes, BUT there are borders to cross as seen by the limits of the Scaling Laws and the critical mass requirements & conditions, etc, etc... > Anyways, cool anecdotes above though from folks who are busy in the experimental field. Events like that do happen in every field of investigation, all over the world, every day. > It is uncanny how wide spread such event leakages are and how fast and furious the braggery carries the info from lab to lab, via employees and via the bars at association conferences by peddlers and management folks. So much for the theory of forbidden subjects. > MOST discoveries are made by accent or pure serendipity. A few are made by scaling up or down, or by shot gunning the field, but NONE are made by theoreticians or by tech writers who write reports or make the paper-work for funding. So much again for theoretical physics. > The mystification of this MO, the "forbidden subject" syndrome begins as soon as govt money gets involved, and bureaucratic bozos classify it to protect their own professionally corrupted ass.  Of course that secrecy will immediately churn the agile mind of the paranoid, and the crooks who see an angle for making a buck off it... Hollywoodization is cool, though!... ahahahaha.... So much again for the theory of forbidden subjects. > All in all, my feeling is that LENR's time will come. When, why and how dunno. The current system is rigged against it to become manifest... BUT there is no system which is fool proof because fools are so ingenious.... and there are so many of'em. .... Go figure!... ahaha... Thanks fro the laughs, guy/s... ahahahahahanson > >  reposted: That game is know as "classifying" under the guise of preserving national security. <snip> However that ahs changed ominously, since the Elder Bush's, then the next Admins, Bush-Cheney, and especially now since Obama about which... > "The White House told us that 95 million records have been created and classified in the year 2012, more than any year on record," he continued. Many other western governments are on the same trajectory." < http://news.yahoo.com/snowden-warns-39-overclassification-39-danger-democracy-000533119.html> > The government goons, world wide, are terrified of each other and in that wake they terrify and terrorize their own people. Bad Scene!... Bad, Bad, Bad!