Date: Oct 12, 2012 2:33 AM
Author: Paul A. Tanner III
Subject: Re: US teachers are overworked and underpaid

So? You still have no factual knowledge of what the actual contract
these teachers actually have actually says with respect to teaching
hours - and how those hours are counted.

With respect to how the hours are counted: When a college students
take a three hour course, that means that it is counted as three hours
per week in the classroom. But guess what? It's not physically three
hours, since the student is given 10 minutes to get to the next class
if he or she have a class the next hour. And physically it's just
three different 50 minute sessions, for a total of 2.5 hours per week.
So how come the colleges don't call it a 2.5 hour course?

Same for k12. I taught what I call 3 different 2 hour blocks even
though some small amount of in-between time was given to the students
to get to the next class.

Everything I said in the original post still stands - even if one were
to say that based on some technicality like the above where it's
"actually" only 2.5 hours per week instead of 3 for a 3-hour course,
US teachers teach only 5 hours per day on average when school is in
session, since we're still talking about only around 3 hours per day
on average when school is in session for those teachers of those
top-performing countries of Finland, Korea, and Japan. Still a very
massive difference.

But then again, if those charts are overstating teaching hours for US
teachers, they could overstating teaching hours for those countries'
teachers as well, in which case they teach even less than three hours
per day!

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Robert Hansen <> wrote:
> Teaching hours Paul. remember?
> I never said teachers work 5 hours a day. You based this all on teaching hours. I have been to the school at 2:15 a hundred times, except for a scattering of after school activities, the vast majority of the students are gone before the bell chimes at 2:30. I live two blocks from the school (I can hear the bell in my house). I have also visited the school many times in the day, we are allowed to have lunch with our children if we want. The schedule is as it is to give the teachers breaks during the day. I have also emailed the teachers during the day, and gotten replies.
> I am not making a claim that the teachers are not working hard.
> Bob Hansen
> On Oct 12, 2012, at 1:15 AM, Paul Tanner <> wrote:

>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Robert Hansen <> wrote:
>>> On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Paul Tanner <> wrote:
>>> I challenge you to prove your BS claims by actually naming a district
>>> where the contracted teaching hours are as you say, only low twenties
>>> per week.
>>> My son's school is 8:00 to 2:30. They are lined up at the door to leave at
>>> 2:15. Take away Lunch, Recess and an Activity, < 5 hours of teaching time.
>>> All Florida primary schools are like that.
>>> Bob Hansen

>> Just as I thought. You are confusing your son's day with the day of
>> those teachers.
>> I taught in FL, at the secondary level. My contracted work day was 7.5
>> hours - 8:15 to 3:45. I taught 3 different 2 hour blocks. Of course
>> there was time between classes, time for the students to get to the
>> next class. (That could have made my "teaching hours" not exactly 6
>> hours on paper by some measures, but close enough. Perhaps that
>> technicality is what you are trying to get away with.) Lunch was only
>> a half hour.
>> The standard contract in FL is 37.5 hours. Use any keyword search you
>> want at Google - it's all over the place. Try
>> teaching contract FL 37.5
>> for one.