Date: Dec 23, 2012 11:43 AM
Author: Gary Tupper
Subject: Re: Would effective gun control laws be 'unacceptable social engineering'?

Note that there exist "company unions" that are formed with the support 
of management to
preclude worker membership in legitimate independent unions. Often
attractive to fundamentalist groups
who do not support any political action activities. They tend to piggy
back on their organized colleagues.

Gary Tupper

On 12/22/2012 9:33 PM, Paul Tanner wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Robert Hansen <> wrote:
>> On Dec 22, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Paul Tanner <> wrote:
>> It is one of the characteristics of a free and democratic nation that
>> is have free and independent labor unions."
>> And we did have free and independent labor unions.
>> Bob Hansen

> And we still do: All labor unions in the US - including labor unions
> representing government employees - are still free and independent in
> the way President Roosevelt meant and in the way this phrase is
> normally means.
> Note how the term "free" is meant in its first use in the entire
> sentence, "free and democratic nation".
> What people mean when they say "a free and independent labor union" is
> that the entity is not an actual branch of government - labor unions
> in communist countries actually are branches of government in at least
> some way. One of the differences between democratic socialism as we
> see in the Scandinavian countries and in dictatorial socialism as we
> see in communist countries is that the labor unions in the former are
> free and independent and in the the latter they are not.
> If you need more explanation, perhaps the IRS classification of these
> entities will clear things up - they are 501(c)(5):
> said, especially the notion of collectivism, that that is how the
> people wield immense power - and how those who do not want to see the
> collective will of the people fully implemented respond to that power
> is testament to its immensity.