```Date: Feb 5, 2013 7:19 PM
Author: Virgil
Subject: Re: Which naturals better?

In article <a80c3b0f-813f-4461-b4b0-545374f1040d@dp10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, JT <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> wrote:> On 5 Feb, 09:06, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:> > In article> > <d3216116-2862-491e-a53a-fc52a2d74...@r8g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >  JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:> > > On 5 Feb, 04:30, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:> > > > On 4 Feb, 11:02, Frederick Williams <freddywilli...@btinternet.com>> > > > wrote:> >> > > > > JT wrote:> >> > > > > > Building new natural numbers without zero using NyaN, in any base,> > > > > > [...]> >> > > > > You seem to confuse numbers and digits.  Both of these are true:> > > > > There is a number zero.> > > > > Numbers can be symbolized without the digit zero.> >> > > > > --> > > > > When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by> > > > > this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.> > > > > Jonathan Swift: Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting> >> > > > No there is no zero in my list of naturals, in my list is each natural> > > > number a discrete ***items***, ***entity*** with a magnitude.> >> > > Sorry a single natural is a single entity or item with a certain> > > magnitude, the numbers is counted in forming sets.> >> > If one counts the members of sets to get natural numbers then counting> > the members of the empty set shuld give us a natural too.> > --> > Isn't it the members forming sets, without any member how can there be> a set?Given any two sets, one should have an intersection set whose mambers are only those in both of the given sets, so what is the intersection set for {1,3,5} and {2,4,6} if not an empty set?> The set is just a placeholder for numbers, it is not a mathematical> entity.A set is a container for whatever one wished to put in it.> Balls and buckets (bucket 1=6 balls) (bucket 2=3 balls) now i pour> over the three balls to the bucket 2 and we have nine balls in bucket> two. And you ask me what todo with the empty bucket?Do you not believe a bucket can be empty?--
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