Date: Mar 3, 2013 5:10 PM Author: mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de Subject: Re: Matheology § 222 Back to the roots On 3 Mrz., 22:19, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:

> In article

> <cc803d21-3112-4a75-b56b-a4c4ad47a...@gp5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

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> WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> > On 3 Mrz., 00:00, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:

> > > In article

> > > <4e4bb67d-abca-470f-a4b0-f5d1681d9...@u2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,

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> > > WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> > > > On 2 Mrz., 22:55, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:

> > > > > In article

> > > > > <1f6ffc0a-1cf2-41cf-9548-73ed71cde...@u2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,

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> > > > > WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> > > > > > On 1 Mrz., 22:56, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > <dcc0a841-b24c-4aba-beac-1358c7692...@h11g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

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> > > > > > > WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> > > > > > > > On 28 Feb., 22:14, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > WM confuses those names with the things named.

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> > > > > > > > No.

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> > > > > > > > > One, two three, and so on, are names .

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> > > > > > > > > Ein, Zwei, Drei, und so weiter, are different names but name

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> > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > things.

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> > > > > > > > There are rules according to which different names can be put

> > > > > > > > together

> > > > > > > > to form sentences. These rules belong to mathematics.

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> > > > > > > For the English language such rules belong to the grammar of the

> > > > > > > entire

> > > > > > > language, not merely to mathematics

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> > > > > > The rule that 2 + 2 can be replaced by 4 belongs to the grammer of

> > > > > > English language?

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> > > > > The rule that 2 + 2 can be replaced by 4, at least in many contexts, is

> > > > > certainly compatible with the rules of English grammmar.

> > > > > Is it not compatible with German grammar?

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> > > > Don't mistake being compatible with being forced.

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> > > 2 + 2 is not forced to be equal to 4 in English, because in the field of

> > > integers mod 3, only 0, 1 and 2 occur, no 4 occurs, but 2 + 2 still does

> > > and results in 1.

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> > So your integers form a field?

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> The integers 0,1 and 2 can form a field if the arithmetic is that of

> integers modulo 3.

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> Note that whether a set of objects forms a field or not depends only on

> how the relevant operations of addition and multiplication are defined

> on the objects of that set, not on what the members of that set are in

> other contexts.

And the multiplicative inverse is not required?

Ever heard of a ring without rang and rung?

Regards, WM