Date: Mar 10, 2013 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Matheology � 222 Back to the roots
WM <email@example.com> wrote:
> On 10 Mrz., 10:28, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 10:02 am, WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:
> > > On 9 Mrz., 23:53, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > We will say x is coFIS to (y) iff
> > > > i. We have (x) associated to x and
> > > > (y) associated to y
> > > > ii. For every n, (x) and (y) produce the same
> > > > finite string.
> > > "Every given n" is tantamount to "there is a last given n".
> > I do not talk about "every given n" but about "every n"
> > (this means from 1 to n for every n). Note that
> > "there is a last n" but it is not a findable natural
> > number.
> Better say "a not fixable natural number".
> > Note that you do not need the x_n to exist to say
> > something about them.
> That is true. For instance we can say that a natural number is either
> even or odd.
Only existing natural numbers need be either,
WM's non-existing naturals can be neither or both.
> > For example, you can say no
> > x_n that will ever exist will be equal to 0.
> Yes, that is another example.
Not for the von Neumann naturals.
> > If you say x is coFIS to y you are saying something
> > about x_n and y_n that may not exist at this time.
> That is the hardest problem. There are some properties which can be
> determined (like the examples above). There are other which cannot.
> But in every case we know that there is a line of the list that is
> identical with the FIS of d, both existing or not existing yet.
> Identity implis coFISionality. Do you deny this?
But the set of lines and d are not identical at all.
d ha no member which is a line and the set f lines has no member which
is natural, al the lines are lists/sets of naturals, none is a natural
Bit in Wolkenmuekenheim there does not appear to be any distinction
between a set and one of its members.