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Joe Niederberger

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Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!

Posted: Nov 15, 2012 8:13 AM
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Robert Hansen says:
>But "a function whose graph..."? I think someone would have to understand a function first, right?

I thought the context here was something like a precalc course - so yeah we can assume "function" is known. The pencil bit is well known and used. Its a starting point for discussion, not a conclusion. If you want to find fault with it I could hardly care less, many people have understood the use of it but some never will.

Another starting point would be simply to say "no gaps or jumps". Yet another would be more like Zeno - to get from A to B I must traverse and infinite set of intermediate points. In particular, wherever I am I can only make a tiny amount of progress given a tiny amount of time.

At the end of the day, one will have modified and filled in one's understanding, but to suppose one must necessarily start from the Weierstrass definition is absurd in my opinion.

Robert Hansen says:
Formal Reasoning: What does that actually mean and why is it significant?

"Formal Reasoning" is an ill defined term at best. At one extreme it might be thought to be a misnomer for formal logic, or a close kin. (There's a course at U Penn: http://www.college.upenn.edu/formal-reasoning-requirement)
At another it could refer to any acceptable mode, as it seems to in Piaget: http://lclane2.net/formalreasoning.html)

On the other hand one can easily find examples of what is commonly termed *informal* reasoning and informal logic. I have never read any description of a mathematician or scientist working exclusively in formal mode. Informal methods would seem to be the rule for development of ideas and making advances, formal for testing, writing up results and presentation.

Joe N


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11/12/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
kirby urner
11/12/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier confuses kids!
Robert Hansen
11/12/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
kirby urner
11/12/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
kirby urner
11/12/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier confuses kids!
Robert Hansen
11/12/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
kirby urner
11/12/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier confuses kids!
Robert Hansen
11/12/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
kirby urner
11/12/12
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Robert Hansen
11/13/12
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Joe Niederberger
11/13/12
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Robert Hansen
11/13/12
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Robert Hansen
11/13/12
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Joe Niederberger
11/13/12
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confuses kids!
Joe Niederberger
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Joe Niederberger
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Robert Hansen
11/14/12
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kirby urner
11/15/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
kirby urner
11/15/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier confuses kids!
Robert Hansen
11/15/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
kirby urner
11/15/12
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Robert Hansen
11/16/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier confuses kids!
kirby urner
11/16/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier confuses kids!
Robert Hansen
11/16/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
kirby urner
11/15/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
Joe Niederberger
11/15/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier confuses kids!
Robert Hansen
11/16/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
Joe Niederberger
11/17/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier confuses kids!
Robert Hansen
11/16/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
Joe Niederberger
11/17/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier confuses kids!
Robert Hansen
11/16/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier
confuses kids!
Joe Niederberger
11/17/12
Read Re: How teaching factors rather than multiplicand & multiplier confuses kids!
Robert Hansen

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