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What makes a mathematics statement true?
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Mar 10, 2013 9:48 PM


What makes a mathematics statement true
godel proved there are true mathematics statement which cant be proven so what makes these "true mathematics statement which cant be proven" true
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Meaning_of_the_first_incompleteness_theorem ?Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete. In particular, for any consistent, effectively generated formal theory that proves certain basic arithmetic truths, there is an arithmetical statement that is true,[1] but not provable in the theory (Kleene 1967, p
Australias leading erotic poet colin leslie dean show Godels theorem is meaningless as he cannot tell us what makes a math statement true http://www.scribd.com/doc/32970323/Godelsincompletenesstheoreminvalidillegitimate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Fir "Gödel's first incompleteness theorem, perhaps the single most celebrated result in mathematical logic, states that: For any consistent formal, recursively enumerable theory that proves basic arithmetical truths, an arithmetical statement that is true, but not provable in the theory, can be constructed.1 That is, any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete. "
you see godel referes to true statement but Godel cant tell us what makes a maths statement true thus his theorem is meaningless
peter smith the Cambridge expert on Godel admitts Gödel didn't rely on the notion of truth
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.logic/browse_thread/thread/ebde70bc932fc0a7/de566912ee69f0a8?lnk=gst&q=G%C3%B6del+didn%27t+rely+on+the+notion+PETER+smith#de566912ee69f0a8
Quote: Gödel didn't rely on the notion of truth"
now because Gödel didn't rely on the notion of truth he cant tell us whatmakes a maths statements true thus his theorem is meaningless it is like me saying there are gibbly statements which cant be proven but not being able to tell you what gibbly statements are, then you all would say my theorem is meaningless
without telling us what makes a maths statement true godels theorem is meaningless as we not know what makes a maths statement true

