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Wayne Bishop

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Re: Using Rap to Learn Science
Posted: Jul 10, 2013 1:10 PM
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Moreover, "the system" (at least at my institution and I suppose
yours) allows it - even demands it - all the way into college. And
it's damaging to students in the name of trying to help them.

Wayne

At 09:06 AM 7/10/2013, Louis Talman wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 16:07:09 -0600, Richard Strausz
><Richard.Strausz@farmington.k12.mi.us> wrote:
>

>>What would you have a geometry teacher do when facing a student who
>>didn't master completing the square in his past?

>
>This is a very good question, and our curricula beg it.
>
>The obvious answer is "Send the student back to algebra, and don't let him
>out of it until he knows enough algebra." Nor does "enough algebra" mean
>simply "...how to complete the square". It means "...how to use the
>underlying ideas of algebra to figure out how square completion has to
>work." But the curriculum doesn't allow us to give that answer. The
>effective answer, then, is that the teacher should give this student the F
>in geometry that he deserved in algebra. This, of course, seems unfair.
>It is, at the very least, misleading.
>
>Everyone in the discussion so far, seems to be treating square completion
>as a technique to be memorized---and the song reinforces this overly
>simplistic notion. I think that's the wrong way to go; square completion
>is an example of algebraic transformation that flows from an understanding
>of underlying patterns. Students should come out of algebra understanding
>that they can develop the transformations they need when they need them.
>That kind of understanding is part of understanding algebra and what it's
>for.
>
>The difficulty here is one that no one has mentioned: This student is in a
>geometry course, and not in an algebra course, and so his grade should
>reflect what he knows about geometry---and not what he knows about
>algebra. But algebra is prerequisite to this geometry course, and the
>student doesn't have the handle on algebra that the curriculum presumes he
>has. And the real question is not "What would you do...?" but "Why does
>the system allow this (and worse!) to happen?"
>
>- --Louis A. Talman
> Department of Mathematical and Computer Sciences
> Metropolitan State University of Denver
>
> <http://rowdy.msudenver.edu/~talmanl>



Date Subject Author
7/5/13
Read Using Rap to Learn Science
Robert Hansen
7/5/13
Read Re: Using Rap to Learn Science
Richard Strausz
7/5/13
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Robert Hansen
7/5/13
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Wayne Bishop
7/6/13
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GS Chandy
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Richard Strausz
7/6/13
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Robert Hansen
7/6/13
Read Re: Using Rap to Learn Science
Richard Strausz
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Robert Hansen
7/6/13
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GS Chandy
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Robert Hansen
7/7/13
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GS Chandy
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Richard Strausz
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Wayne Bishop
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GS Chandy
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Robert Hansen
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GS Chandy
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