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Chuck Cadman

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Registered: 12/12/04
Re: Diagonal Argument
Posted: Jun 9, 2000 11:44 AM
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Flavio Borges Botelho wrote in message <3940E639.64179351@pronet.net>...

>Well, i know that the real numbers produced by this arrangement does not
>seem get to the irrational numbers, but the arrangement does provide
>aproximations as good as necessary.
> For any e we choose, it's possible to find a number n E N so that:
> |Irracional Number - F(n)| > e



Yes, it is true that the reals have a countable dense subset, i.e., a set S
which has the cardinality of the naturals and the property that every real
number is the limit of a sequence of elements of S. But that doesn't make
the reals countable.

Here's something else to consider. Since S is countable, it can be
expressed as a sequence: s_1, s_2, ....
Now let U_n be the open interval (s_n - 2^{-n-1}, s_n + 2^{-n-1}) Then U_n
has length
2^{-n} so the union of all these sets, call it U, has total measure <= 1.
Furthermore, U is an open set containing this dense subset S. But somehow U
does not equal all the real numbers.







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