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Rectangles Inscribed in a DodecahedronDate: 06/19/99 at 10:07:59 From: Ed Condren Subject: I teach medieval lit at UCLA I'm currently writing a book on a single medieval manuscript. Research so far convinces me that it was organized according to mathematical principles, esp. the Golden Section. What I need now is an equation for determining the size of the rectangles inscribed within a regular dodecahedron. I know there are three of them; they are identical; they are at right angles to each other; their corners touch the midpoints of the pentagonal faces; and their sides are in a phi-relation. But I need a formula that includes the dimension of the dodecahedron. Perhaps if I knew the precise angle each pentagonal face makes with the other faces with which it shares an edge, I could figure it out. From the model I built, it looks like 117 degrees, but my model is far from precise. Any help anyone can give me will be much appreciated. Date: 06/22/99 at 14:25:19 From: Doctor Melissa Subject: Re: I teach medieval lit at UCLA Hi Ed, According to our Formulas FAQ, the angle you want is delta = arccos(-sqrt[5]/5) = 116 degrees and 34' For future reference, the URL for the FAQ is http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/formulas/ Since I know little else about three-dimensional geometry, I'm going to leave this question in the area where other doctors may see and respond to it. Good luck - this sounds fascinating! - Doctor Melissa, The Math Forum http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
Date: 06/23/99 at 03:51:46
From: Doctor Pete
Subject: Re: I teach medieval lit at UCLA
Hi,
What you are looking for is the ratio of the side of the dodecahedron
to the length of a short edge of one of its inscribed golden
rectangles. But this ratio is the same as that between a side of the
dodecahedron and a side of its inscribed dual, the icosahedron; this
is because the twelve vertices (4x3) of the three golden rectangles
are the twelve vertices of a circumscribing icosahedron. This
icosahedron, having twenty equilateral triangular faces, is inscribed
in the dodecahedron such that each vertex of the former is the center
of a face of the latter.
That said, some computation shows that this ratio is
2 : (1 + 3/Sqrt[5]),
or
Sqrt[5] : p^2,
or
1 : 1.170820,
where p is the golden ratio (1+Sqrt[5])/2. So the short edge of the
inscribed golden rectangle is slightly larger than the edge of the
dodecahedron.
If you are really fascinated by all this, then let me tell you how I
derived these numbers. I didn't use the dihedral angle at all; in
fact, I used a fascinating property of the regular dodecahedron, which
is that it is possible to choose 8 vertices of the dodecahedron which
are also vertices of an inscribed cube. Furthermore, there are 5 such
cubes.
These cubes have edge length p in relation to the edge length of the
dodecahedron, because each cube edge is a line joining two
non-adjacent vertices on a pentagonal face.
If we draw a side of one of these cubes, and construct a portion of
the dodecahedron that sits atop one of these sides, it becomes clear
that the distance we wish to find is the distance between the centers
of two adjacent pentagons. But this line is parallel to the face of
the cube, and so we may draw a pair of similar triangles which
compares the desired length to the length of the cube's edge. The
details of this are a bit too tricky to describe in words, as a
diagram would do far better; but needless to say, it is only through
some simple algebra that one arrives at the answer above. I invite you
to draw some diagrams, in particular, to draw on your dodecahedron
model 12 lines which describe a cube whose 8 vertices coincide with 8
of the dodecahedron's vertices, and whose 12 edges (hint! 12 cube
edges, 12 faces of the dodecahedron) coincide with the 12 faces of the
dodecahedron.
Incidentally, if you want the dihedral angle of the dodecahedron, it
is
ArcCos[-1/Sqrt[5]],
that is, the angle between 0 and 180 degrees whose cosine is
-1/Sqrt[5], which is approximately 116.5650 degrees. You were quite
close, I'd say.
- Doctor Pete, The Math Forum
http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
Date: 06/23/99 at 09:13:03 From: Edward Condren Subject: Re: I teach medieval lit at UCLA Hello Doctor Melissa, Thank you for responding. I've had this message out on the Net and in several chat rooms for about three weeks, and you are the first one to respond. I'll check the FAQ site you gave me, but the 116 and 34' may be all I need. My numeracy is low, but the first article I'm cheekily publishing on this intricate and fascinating subject will appear in the early fall, in Viator 30, under the pretentious title "Numerical Proportion as Aesthetic Strategy in the Pearl Manuscript." If you're having trouble getting to sleep some night, you might give it a try. Ed Condren Professor of English, UCLA
Date: 06/24/99 at 01:00:51
From: Edward Condren
Subject: Response from Dr. Pete
Dear Doctor Pete,
I want to thank you for your kindness in spending so much time
responding to my shot in the dark about the mysteries of the
dodecahedron for a book I'm writing on a medieval manuscript. What
moved me in particular - apart from your expertise, of course - was
your sense that my researches have provided me with a great deal of
joy and fascination, despite my having only rudimentary skills at
mathematics. I thought I'd risk overstaying my welcome by mentioning
briefly what my project is about.
A unique fourteenth century manuscript, British Library Cotton Nero
A.x., has four poems, two of which are the brilliant Pearl and Sir
Gawain and the Green Knight. It has always been thought to be a mere
anthology, probably by the same author. My book argues that it is in
fact a single artifact unified by the same mathematics that, from the
Neo-Pythagoreans onward, have been held to demonstrate the unity of
all creation. The line counts of the four poems are, respectively,
1212, 1812, 531, and 2531. This highly artful arrangement, minus the
signature twelves in the first half and signature 31s (the tenth prime
as the Middle Ages reckoned primes) in the second half, gives us two
halves of 3000 lines each. More intriguing still, the two outer poems
divided by the two medial poems give the Golden Section. The first
poem, Pearl, has 20 sections of 5 stanzas each, with each stanza
containing 12 rhyming lines. Moreover, the first line of each stanza
replicates the last line of the preceding stanza, with the first line
of the poem echoing the last line of the poem. It seems clear to me
that this poem's 1212 lines create a verbal dodecahedron: 20 vertices;
12 faces; each face a five-sided pentagon. The pentagon, of course, is
highly dependent on the phi ratio. The three remaining poems seem 2-D,
rather than 3-D. In other words, the poet may have conceived them as
the three inscribed planes. The first of these remaining three,
Purity, is constructed almost entirely of phi-related sections which
encode a five-pointed star - another phi-dependent figure - which
happens to be the main symbol on Sir Gawain's shield. The next poem I
haven't entirely cracked yet (hence my query about the size of the
inscribed rectangles). It's a retelling of the story of Jonah. But
its 5 sections have intriguing sizes: 60, 184, 60, 104, 123. When we
remove the overages, which total 31 (4 + 4 + 23), we are left with two
60s, two 100s, and 180. This last is the radius of the circumscribed
circle surrounding the five-pointed star laid out in Purity.
Enough! You'll never again answer a humanist's math questions. But I
trust you can see how much pleasure all this figuring has afforded me.
While I've still been completing my manuscript I thought I'd stake out
my claim on this complex thesis by publishing a small article on it in
Viator, vol. 30, to be published in early September. If you would tell
me where I could send an offprint, I'd be happy to send you one so you
could be amused at how a literary critic thinks he's discovering the
wheel, when you chaps have been playing with these phenomena for
centuries.
Thanks, again, for all your help.
Ed Condren
Professor of English,
Univ. of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)
Los Angeles, CA 90095
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