Definition of RatioDate: 08/21/2003 at 13:59:03 From: Suzanne Subject: The correct definition of "ratio" I am a copy editor for a public-relations firm that works with clients in high technology. Recently, I lost a battle with other editors on the staff who insisted that a construction such as "eight out of ten" is a ratio. I said I didn't think it met the mathematical criteria for ratio, but since I don't know precisely how "ratio" is defined by mathematicians, I was unable to argue persuasively - and don't know for a fact that my co-editors aren't right, that "eight out of ten" (or 8 out of 10) IS a ratio. Can you help? Thank you. Date: 08/21/2003 at 17:07:19 From: Doctor Peterson Subject: Re: The correct definition of "ratio" Hi, Suzanne. This is as much an English language question as a math question, and that makes it very confusing. Words like this are not used as consistently as you might expect, even among math teachers or mathematicians. (That's partly because mathematicians today don't tend to pay much attention to ratios, and therefore don't have to define them carefully.) My first impression is that we TEND to think of ratios as comparisons of, say, the number of boys to the number of girls, rather than of a part to a whole, but that the term "ratio" does not necessarily exclude the latter. So it might not be technically wrong to use it that way, but depending on the context there might be clearer ways to phrase what you want to say, so as to avoid suggesting that the comparison is part to part. Then I did a little searching. For word questions, I like to see what a dictionary says, since lexicographers know how to make distinctions between words (though they often don't understand the mathematical distinctions). Merriam- Webster (m-w.com) says ratio 1 a : the indicated quotient of two mathematical expressions b : the relationship in quantity, amount, or size between two or more things : PROPORTION This agrees with my general sense of the word: any quotient can be called a ratio, but in particular it tends to compare two distinct things. But, of course, we make a distinction between ratio and proportion, and they call them synonymous. How do they define the latter? proportion 3 : the relation of one part to another or to the whole with respect to magnitude, quantity, or degree : RATIO 4 : SIZE, DIMENSION 5 : a statement of equality between two ratios in which the first of the four terms divided by the second equals the third divided by the fourth (as in 4/2=10/5) Their definition 5 is the one we use technically, in distinction to ratio. But look at their definition 3: when they consider this synonymous with ratio, they specifically include relations of part to whole as well as part to part. That would say that your example IS a ratio. How about math sites? Mathematicians, as I said, don't deal with this much, but math teachers do. Here is one reference I found: Ratio. Fraction. What's the Difference? http://www.sci.tamucc.edu/txcetp/cr/math/rf/RatioFraction.pdf Due to common notation, students often improperly interchange the ideas of ratio and fraction. Through this lesson students will learn why the two are different ideas and when they actually can overlap. Discuss the fact that fractions always illustrate a "part to whole" relationship while ratios can be used to illustrate a much larger set of relationships; such as part to part and whole to part. This seems to say that a fraction always refers to part of a whole, but a ratio can indicate a variety of relationships. There are some examples in a worksheet, but no answers. The next page I found happened to be the answer sheet, and illustrates what they mean: http://www.tamu-commerce.edu/coas/math/FACULTY/WEBSTER/Math351/ HEIDISTU/RatioFra.htm 2. Two out of every five students in this class plan to be middle school teachers. Circle One: Ratio Fraction [Both] Reasoning: This is definitely a ratio of future middle school teachers to total students in the class of 2:5. In addition, since the ratio is part to whole, it can also be thought of as a fractional relationship. 2/5 of the students in the class plan to be middle school teachers. So "two of every five" is considered a ratio. How about Math Doctors? Here is what one says, which uses ratio just as broadly: Ratios as Fractions http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/58014.html At age 12 you have probably spent 8 years in grades K through 7. There is a ratio there, namely, the ratio of "number of years in school" to "number of years in your whole life". For you this ratio is 8:12 or 8-to-12. You could simplify that to 4:6 and further to 2:3. The same thing can be done with the fraction 8/12 which is the fraction of your life you have spent in school (including summers). You reduce that fraction to 4/6 or 2/3. Either way, as the ratio 2:3 or the fraction 2/3, it says you have spent two thirds of your life as a person of school age. But this one seems to have a strong preference for letting "ratio" only compare two parts of one whole: Ratios: Second Number http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/58027.html But I found lots of pages that talk about ratio of part to whole, as well as part to part. So it looks like you've lost - but I'd still like to see the context in which you don't think the word "ratio" fits, because even if something CAN be called a ratio, there may be reasons not to use the word "ratio" in a particular sentence. If you have any further questions, feel free to write back. - Doctor Peterson, The Math Forum http://mathforum.org/dr.math/ Date: 08/21/2003 at 17:26:19 From: Suzanne Subject: Thank you (The correct definition of "ratio") Wow, thank you for the incredibly thorough explanation you so quickly provided. I admit to be being math-phobic, but I found your examples illuminating. Thanks again, and I'll quit arguing with my co-workers. Or find something else to argue about, more likely. |
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